URGENT HELP ! Am I really doomed to lose schooling or go to a community college? Will chance u back?

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<p>I believe that the majority of you guys have already finished your application season - so have I. As an int'l from China
who needs financial aid, though, I find it extremely difficult to predict the outcome of my apps.Am I doomed to community college or even lose schooling with such a list?</p>

<p>So here is my general profile, and I wonder if you guys can answer my questions in the post and give your predictions over my list:</p>

<p>TOEFL:111
SAT:2300 this May(CR 730 Math 780 Writing 790 essay9) 1st attempt
2160 this June(CR 690 Math 800 Writing 670 (ouch,essay8) 2nd attempt
superscore 2320(should I consider superscoring these 2 attempts?)
SAT II: Math1 800 Math2 800 Physics 800 Chemistry 800
GPA:3.82/4.00 or 94/100 (3.89/4.00 during the 1st semester of senior year; is that an upward trend?)
Class ranking: 1/615 for 2 and a half years</p>

<p>No APs in Chinese schools, but the courses are equally difficult as APs(I followed the Gaokao curriculum, mandatory for everyone,but so many Chinese applicants have at least 4-5 AP-scores this year during this application season - will I be disadvantaged in the competition due to the lack of AP scores?)</p>

<p>Academic awards:
One of the top 15 Gold medalist nationwide in China in 'The Awarding Program for Future Scientists' jointly held by Chinese Government and HK H.S. Chau Foundation;qualified for the Chinese Intel ISEF selection process;
National 2nd Prize in Chinese Physics Olympiad for 3 consecutive years(Best ranking:55th in a pool of 30000 in province);
3rd Prize in Chinese High School Math Tournament(Top 500 in a pool of 30000) during Grade 11;
2nd Prize in Chinese High School Math tournament(Top 250 in 30000),
National 1st prize in the Chinese National English Proficiency Contest for 2 consecutive years(Top 50 in a pool of 30000)
Scholarship Winner of the 'Picture yourself in Perth' Competition held by Perth government and my city(Top 10 out of hundreds within the entire city)</p>

<p>ECs:
1. Founder and Leader of the student acoustic guitar band for 2 consecutive years, gave performances in school
2.Teaching assistant in New Oriental School for a few months
3.Head of the Studying Department of the Students' Union for 2 years; led a petition in school for changes in teaching methods;
4.Research on mathematics during summer in Grade 10;paper submitted to the 'Tomorrow Little scientist Competition' in China.'Study on the irrational solutions of cubic equations with integral coefficients';entered national final round (TOP 100) and won gold medal(Top 15) eligible for Chiense Intel ISEF team;
5.Volunteer in local nursing homes; Service hours:100+
6. Chief translator of the entire school during foreign exchanges: service hours: no less than 50(5.6 both lasted for 1-2 years)</p>

<p>My essays are generally okay, I think. </p>

<p>Need great amounts of FA.(Family Contribution at most $5k a year)</p>

<p>Please give me your predictions over my list. Just say accepted, waitlisted, rejected. </p>

<p>Amherst ED deferred (do I have a chance?)
Baylor(EA) accepted (the merit scholarship,however, is not adequate to cover my needs - I'm still applying for more)
Uchicago EA deferred (merit only,applied for no FA; do I have a chance?)</p>

<p>Regular:
HYPM (lol, high reach for everyone I know,so I won't be surprised if I got rejected by all the 4; do I stand a slim chance at those?),
Dartmouth, Cornell, Columbia, Brown(Do I have a chance on those likely considering my int'l FA status?)
WUSTL(merit scholarships only,no FA app; do I have a chance?)
Williams, Swarthmore, Carleton, Davidson(applied for merit+FA,Belk),
Wash & Lee(applied for merit+FA,Johnson),Vassar, Colby, Hamilton, Kenyon, Trinity
(BTW: does applying EDII to one of the LAC really help my chances? I know it must be incredibly hard.)</p>

<p>For the sake of demonstration, please air your views on the following formats:</p>

<p>e.g.
Harvard - rejected
Yale-rejected
Pton-rejected
MIT-waitlisted</p>

<p>and predict the outcomes of my application. Am I really doomed to lose schooling (ALL REJECTED) and have to reapply as a superold applicant after a gap year? Thank you very much and I will chance back! :(( </p>

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<p>I don’t really feel comforatable saying rejected or accepted, since it’s so hit and miss and we all know the ivy league acceptances are practically random, but you applied to like hella schools so statisically speaking you should get into at least one? :3</p>

<p>I believe HYP and the other ivies claim to be need blind, so you can take some solace in knowing that. Let’s hope their statements are legit. </p>

<p>Ahhh, sorry this wasn’t much help. </p>

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<p>Try UVA, they meet financial need even as a public school. and UNC also. You have a great chance at the ivies</p>

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<p>Well, ojas11, I had considered uvA and UNC before, but those are public schools with very limited amount of scholarships available for int’ls…
Thx for ur suggestion, though; however, I think my chances are rather slim…</p>

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<p>bump 10char… can anyone please give me some opinions over my list?</p>

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<p>I agree with menacing. Your chances for any of the Ivies is slim, since Ivies pretty much just randomly choose applicants that meet their criteria. The number of universities that you are applying to is massive though. I’m pretty sure you’ll get accepted in at least one of the other ones. If you’re lucky, maybe you can get into an Ivy.</p>

<p>Just my 2 cents</p>

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<p>Some your schools (e.g. Harvard) claim international need-blindness, while most of your schools are only need blind to U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Therefore, I think you have a better chance at your need-blind schools, even though they are harder to get in. As others have said, you will probably get into at least one of your colleges. Just fingers crossed for an ivy :D</p>

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<p>The money could come through on Baylor. Harvard will be more in-reach than you think due to its being need-blind. If you have to pay the full COA, you could look at state schools, which are slightly cheaper, but won’t give you financial aid.</p>

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<p>I don’t think you will get rejected by all of them, but if you need financial aid then your chances at any school that is not need blind is reduced significantly. You seem like a good candidate for all those schools but, you never know.</p>

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<p>No all college will give some sort of Aid. Whether it is a little bit or a lot they will try to help you out. Wow let me say your stats are really good and I do not see why you would have a problem getting in.</p>

<p>Harvard- accepted/waitlisted-------------- 70% accept/ 30% waitlist
Yale- accepted/waitlisted-------------- 70% accept/ 30% waitlist
Ptot- accepted/waitlisted-------------- 70% accept/ 30% waitlist
MIT- unfortunately rejected- dk why MIT is a weird college they reject a lot of good students.</p>

<p>Overall one of these colleges should happen. I think you have a great shot keep up the good work. Worst case scenario you go to community college kick ass get a 4.0 and transfer to any school. Overall I think you are fine.</p>

<p>Hey chance me back: </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1608895-uci-chance-me.html#latest”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/what-my-chances/1608895-uci-chance-me.html#latest&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Community College is not an option for internationals who need financial aid. They need to get into their college as a freshman.</p>

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<p>Well, MYOS1634, thanks for your explanation. I still wonder what my chances will be at my list of US schools?Could you please give me your opinion over my school list? Thanks a lot!</p>

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<p>All the schools on your first (top) list are high reaches simply due to the selectivity - they have three times more worthy applicants than they can admit and have been known to say they could throw out the files of the admitted students and admit an equally talented class from what remains… That’s why they’re considered “crapshoots”. So you’re a contender for that final cut but your odds aren’t higher than 1:3.
For Vassar, Colby, Hamilton, Kenyon, Trinity: it’ll depend whether your essays are good, how much financial aid you need, whether it looks to them that you consider them “safeties” or not (due to yield protection) but you have a fair shot at each of them so you should get into 1-2 of those at least. Odds are that you’ll have more admissions than that, in all likelihood 1-2 from the first list and 1-3 from the second one.
What I meant re: community colleges is that there’s basically no financial aid (at all) for international transfers, so if you need financial aid after your two years at a community college you’re stuck for your final two years if you can’t afford to pay full price.</p>

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<p>Amherst: Deny–chances of getting in after an ED deferral are very small
Baylor: Chances good to get enough money if you commit to them and you do have the demonstrated need
UCH: Deny–you didn’t get in even with no need in a favored round. How do you think you are going to pay for this school, given you are saying that Baylor did not give you enough money?
HYPM: Deny. If you can’t get into Amherst and UCH as a no need international, chances very low these schools will take your RD.
DCCB: Deny due to int’l FA status. Maybe Brown and Cornell accepts if you had no need
WSCD: Williams-deny. the rest maybe, reach but possible, particularly Carleton and Davidson. No merit.
Wash &Lee:, V, C, H K, T: All possible admits</p>

<p>Yes ED2 at the LACs would really help your chances. , they can see all of your choices on the PROFILE if you submitted it and by committing to one, would help you. That you did not get into Amherst ED puts you at risk at Williams and Swarthmore, but the rest you have live chances.</p>

<p>Why did you not apply for fin aid at UCH and now you are saying you can’t go to Baylor without more money when UCH costs more and you didn’t bother to apply for aid there and at other schools? Playing games this way isn’t a way to get accepted.</p>

<p>Just my opinion.</p>

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<p>I really believe all of those colleges you will have no trouble getting into. Exept for HYPM. Its still a possibility but Im not sure what they think of internationals.</p>

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<p>HYPM tend to look at international admissions more equally than the other schools. OP is not a top flight candidate there however. It’s difficult for everyone to get accept Look at their accept rates, look at Amherst’s ED accept rates. IF you can’t get into Amherst ED, that is good indcator as to where you stand at more selective schools. Not 100% accurate but the best measure one has a this point. </p>

<p>Balloo, how the heck can you really believe all of those colleges, OP will have no trouble getting into, when OP has been deferred from two already? </p>

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<p>Well, @cptofthehouse, applying for fin aid is always an ENORMOUS risk for internationals.
I know someone in China who got a 2240 SAT, 3 800s in SATIIs, and the 1st place of gold medal in CMO finals(qualified for IMO Chinese selection team) yet was rejected by ALL 11 top tier US schools just because of his app for FA.
So far as I know, there are only 6 schools that are need-blind and promise to cover the needs of every applicant(HYP, MIT, Dart, Amherst), while Cornell is need-blind but does not GUARANTEE to fill the needs of int’l applicants. The competition is insane at these schools; as for other top tiers, the app for FA can kill your applications. </p>

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<p>ah, this is honestly pretty hard. You’ve got amazing scores and ECs, and no, I don’t think not taking APs will hold you back. However, the int’l student needing aid thing is rough. I’m sure you’ll get into quite a few of the schools on your list (although the ivies are a crapshoot) but I can’t give much a prediction of how FA will turn out. Good luck!</p>

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<p>I agree that admissions for international who have high need is very difficult. The OP applied to Amherst ED which is a bump up from regular admissions chance and this is a school that IS need blind for internationals. And was not admitted. So look at the accept rates that are left…they are even tougher and some are need aware to make it even more difficult. That’s a very simple analysis, and I’m just going by those numbers. </p>

<p>A 2240 SAT and all of the other factors are no shoo in for the most selective schools in the country. I know kids, US ones with higher SATs than that turned down all of the time. Look at the boards here and you can see your friend was not going to have an easy go, unless he appllied to schools where about half the kids or more are accepted and his scores were in the upper 5%. That’s what it would take to get a reasonable chance of acceptance as an international and for anyone in that situation, US kids included, as a safety, merit, fin aid school pick.</p>

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<p>Thx a lot for your comments, @cptofthehouse! Your assessments really very much resemble mine.
I guess I’ll just hope for the best…</p>

<p>Can anyone else give me some more opinions over my list? Let’s get this going, shall we?</p>