<p>Of course, bluewhitebulldog, Joe Paterno is at Penn State, not Penn. That was the point. Note the [smile]. Try to reach below the surface, just a little, so the subtlety about Penn's confusion with Penn State (among many among the "unenlightened") reaches your grasp.</p>
<p>ok ***.</p>
<p>What happened here? Wasn't the OP asking about Cornell, Brown, CU and WashU?</p>
<p>Did it ever occur to our gracious hijackers that maybe the OP (or her friend) decided that (s)he didn't want to go to Penn, for whatever reason, and therefore decided not to apply as a transfer?</p>
<p>Just a thought. Not slamming Penn, but you gotta realise that Penn isn't for everybody, just as Columbia isn't for everybody.</p>
<p>"Do you know how many colleges and universities there are in the US? Brown ranking in at #341 is not bad at all. Unfortunately, there can only be one numero uno..."</p>
<p>and we all know that UPenn/Wharton can never be numero uno... at most, I'll put it at #342. =)</p>
<p>Haha, yes! I started yet another flame war, even if short-lived.</p>
<p>It's true, I was waitlisted at Columbia (not rejected; I opted off of the waitlist when accepted to my 3rd choice, Columbia being my 4th). However, I was also rejected from Harvard, but you don't see me flaming there every day, do you? The reason I flame here is because I find Columbia's "superiority complex" ridiculous and bemusing.</p>
<p>When I applied to colleges out of HS, my list was #3 - Penn, #4 - Columbia. Don't believe me? Check my profile. That list hasn't been updated. That's the way I felt 3 years ago, and that's the way I still feel today.</p>
<p>To reiterate: even though Columbia has ranked behind Penn for like 12 years, even though their SAT averages and GPA averages of entering freshman classes are lower than Penn/Brown/Dartmouth, and even though they've won like .3 Rhodes/Marshall's scholarships per year since 2000, they still think they're > than Brown/Penn/Dartmouth. It's truly absurd.</p>
<p>And so I flame. And flame and flame and flame. Sigh... I'm bored. Gonna go write a paper.</p>
<p>3>,</p>
<p>Muerte</p>
<p>One more thing:
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^ wharton is more than 20% of the school. over 500 kids.
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<p>This is incorrect. According to Penn Facts: Penn:</a> Facts and Figures</p>
<p>There are 1,866 Wharton kids total.</p>
<p>This is 467/class.</p>
<p>There are 2,430 kids per class.</p>
<p>467/2430 = .192, or 19.2% of the school is in Wharton.</p>
<p>As you may have surmised by now, this means that less than 1/5 of Penn is Wharton.</p>
<p>This, plus the fact that Wharton's SAT average is only 14 points higher than CAS's, plus the fact that CAS's acceptance rate = the overall acceptance rate reported to US News and all other rankings (<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pennsylvania/636404-cas-acceptance-rate-step-right-up.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pennsylvania/636404-cas-acceptance-rate-step-right-up.html</a>), leads a logical person to believe that Wharton DOES NOT drag up Penn's rank, but is indeed properly representative of CAS.</p>
<p>Would anyone disagree, and cite facts in so doing?</p>
<p>Yo muertea. Nobody cares that Columbia was your #4. </p>
<p>And where do you get this idea of the superiority complex? Are you seriously telling me that the other ivies don't have it, whether overt or not? I wouldn't know, I don't prowl the other boards.</p>
<p>I feel like you're trying to prove a point or make yourself feel better about something--whether it's your opting off the Columbia waitlist or a constant pathological need to prove that Penn is better than columbia. I guess we're all different, but I got deferred then rejected from Yale, rejected from Cornell and waitlisted at Harvard and Princeton. You don't see me *****ing about those schools that I haven't experienced, do you? But then again, I'm a saint with a job :D</p>
<p>Whatever it is, have you ever stopped to think that you're flogging a dead horse?</p>
<p>You're not changing anyone's convictions with your inflammatory statements--although I'm not even sure that's your aim. At some level, I think you're bored and like saying incendiary things to get a reaction out of people. In which case I'd tell you to get a life. Hope your paper went well.</p>
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To reiterate: even though Columbia has ranked behind Penn for like 12 years, even though their SAT averages and GPA averages of entering freshman classes are lower than Penn/Brown/Dartmouth
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<p>Columbia's SAT ranges are exactly comparable to Penn's:</p>
<p>College</a> Search - Columbia University - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®
College</a> Search - University of Pennsylvania - Penn - SAT®, AP®, CLEP®</p>
<p>show me some average GPA stats.</p>
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and even though they've won like .3 Rhodes/Marshall's scholarships per year since 2000, they still think they're > than Brown/Penn/Dartmouth.
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<p>Columbia had a dry spell with Rhodes Scholars in the early 2000s, we've had 3 in the past two years. We definitely have more than 3 Marshall scholars in the past 10 years, show me some sources flamer. While I don't think this is significantly true, Columbia can be seen to be better than P/B/D, because it has a lower acceptance rate (important considering admissions aren't formulaic), we've won at least twice the Nobel prizes of any of three, probably more than all three combined. 15 itself in the last 15 years. </p>
<p>We're rated the #1 research university in the nation according to CMUP, and most academic rankings of universities put us above all three (shanghai tong & times higher). All this with a strong focus on undergrads and small seminar like classes; undergrad student:faculty ratio is ~6.5:1, even many liberal arts college can't match that. </p>
<p>These are all broader stats than marshall and rhodes scholars, even by Marshall and Rhodes we're currently matching all three by that metric and I'm fairly certain that isn't going to change in the coming years. Ow and penn should have 60% more scholars than columbia because it's 60% larger. I contend that differences in quality of undergrad education doesn't vary too much between the schools.</p>
<p>As a prospective student of Columbia, this whole my-school-is-better-than-your-school argument is really really unflattering for all the people who even engaged in it.</p>
<p>Seriously, why even get involved with the back and forth? It's extremely petty. Represent your respective schools better.</p>
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It's true, I was waitlisted at Columbia (not rejected; I opted off of the waitlist when accepted to my 3rd choice, Columbia being my 4th). However, I was also rejected from Harvard, but you don't see me flaming there every day, do you?
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<p>I think you are a sore loser.</p>
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this whole my-school-is-better-than-your-school argument is really really unflattering for all the people who even engaged in it.
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<p>Schools are different and there are differences in academic quality at each, if I didn't think Columbia was better than most other schools I wouldn't be here, 80% of kids at Columbia are there in part because they wanted to study at a very exclusive institution. Now with respect to D/B/P the differences are small, and I consider Columbia to be comparable to P and better than B,D, but the variation is small, in an actual decision fit will outweigh any real difference in quality - but this doesn't mean that all the schools are equal and that we should close our eyes to differences.</p>
<p>no, but the differences are very multidimensional. the key word is and has always been "fit". Some people will be an excellent fit at certain places whereas others would make them far less happy. Some people who would be very unhappy at Columbia might be much happier at Dartmouth or Brown, and vice versa.</p>
<p>The relevant information that a thread like this can convey has to do with how we think a particular person, revealing lots of information about themselves, might feel or fit in with the culture at Columbia.</p>
<p>It will do rather poorly at making some sort of compelling case that one school is entirely better to another (nevertheless elite) school in every way.</p>
<p>It does particularly bad at schoolyard taunting.</p>
<p>So for the love of god, if someone's not interested in a personal evaluation of fit, STOP THE PLAYGROUND-TAUNTING HORSE****, YOU EEEJITS.</p>
<p>Yours in Christ,
D</p>
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the key word is and has always been "fit". Some people will be an excellent fit at certain places whereas others would make them far less happy.
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<p>I don't care if you go to Columbia or Penn or Brown or Eastlake Community College, everyone will surely agree with this.</p>
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show me some average GPA stats.
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<p>99% of freshman for 2012 were in the top 10% of their HS class, compared to 93% at Columbia.</p>
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we've won at least twice the Nobel prizes of any of three, probably more than all three combined. 15 itself in the last 15 years.
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<p>Penn has won 10 in the last 10 years. I'd say it's caught/catching up to Columbia's research prowess.</p>
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We're rated the #1 research university in the nation according to CMUP, and most academic rankings of universities put us above all three (shanghai tong & times higher).
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<p>CMUP rates universities in clumps. Penn is also in the #1 clump, with Columbia and MIT and whichever the others are.</p>
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So for the love of god, if someone's not interested in a personal evaluation of fit, STOP THE PLAYGROUND-TAUNTING HORSE****, YOU EEEJITS.</p>
<p>Yours in Christ,
D
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<p>I get bored and love to flame, but I guess I could stop for Denzera. There's a place in my heart reserved for him.</p>