<p>Would like an opinion on U of Michigan vs. Cornell AEM for undergrad business. Business Week ranks UMich 4th vs. Cornell 8th for 2009. What are the biggest pluses for UMich vs. Cornell?</p>
<p>I actually did my undergraduate studies at Michigan and my graduate studies at Cornell. Both schools are very similar and both schools are awesome. I would suggest you visit te two schools and chose the one you feel is a better fit for you. If you can get into Ross, I recommend Michigan over Cornell.</p>
<p>The trouble w/ Michigan is, unless you’re a superstar, you don’t get accepted to Ross until Spring of freshman year.</p>
<p>“Number 1, I did not say the student bodies were identical, I said the difference is exaggerated”</p>
<p>You said “There is virtually no difference between undergrads at Michigan and undergrads at most peer universities.”</p>
<p>“hey number1, so did u beat 99% of the students in exams? im just curious”</p>
<p>I don’t know. All I know is that my grades are As.</p>
<p>“Would like an opinion on U of Michigan vs. Cornell AEM for undergrad business. Business Week ranks UMich 4th vs. Cornell 8th for 2009. What are the biggest pluses for UMich vs. Cornell?”</p>
<p>Only ignorant high school kids would even consider ranking. You should know that BW ranking doesn’t mean jack *<strong><em>. It ranks virginia above wharton. Yet prestigious banks and consulting firms recruit heavily from wharton rather than virginia. JHU is ranked highher than UofM. yet everyone on wall street knows that UM is recruited more than JHU. Rankings are useless because employers dont give a crap about them. It’s there to fool ignorant HS students. You’re one of them. If you’re studying business to get a good job, you’re *</em></strong>ed if you go by rankings. Now to answer your question, if you want investment banking go to AEM. You have a better chance. If you want anything else besides finance, go for Ross, which is also good at placing students into banks. For example, if you want to go for MBB, go for Ross because you’ll have almost 0 chance of getting it if you attend Cornell. If you have no idea what banking or consulting is, go do research.</p>
<p>OK, OK, I get the point, you don’t like rankings. I’m not a big fan either. I’m just trying to get some feedback on reasons to go to UMich vs. Cornell. Or vice versa.</p>
<p>Number 1, out of curiosity, are you going to Ross your sophomore year?</p>
<p>“Number 1, out of curiosity, are you going to Ross your sophomore year?”</p>
<p>No, I’ll stay in LSA. I want a liberal arts education, not vocational training. I don’t need Ross to break into banking/consulting. I already have boutique IBD offer as a freshman. I can stay in LSA and be better than Ross kids at what they do.</p>
<p>"“I am not sure I understand why your uncle cannot help you? I can see how he cannot help you with his alumni network as alumni networks will only help their own alums, but can’t he help you in his professional circles? My uncles who attended MIT and Wharton helped me a great deal over the years, although the Michigan alumni network was more helpful. Quite frankly, if your “network” is not willing to help you because you attend Michigan, I am not so sure it will be willing to help you when you are at another school.”</p>
<p>What I mean is I can ask my relatives for help and they are all willing to help, but I have to hear demeaning and belittling BS every time I ask because they assumed I need help because I dont go to a school as elite as theirs and therefore need external help.
So life would be easier if I ask for help from a school that they respect.</p>
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<p>bearcats, most people receive job offers through the help of relatives, friends, and acquaintances. Your family can be a major source of connections. That is how the elite families provide jobs for their children. Most job positions are not advertised online. I personally don’t understand why your relatives have to belittle and disrespect your school choice. Their behavior sounds very pretentious and superficial to me (apologies, but it’s true). In fact, it’s really unnecessary. </p>
<p>Several years ago, one of my friends was in your same shoes: His parents graduated from HYPM, and were very disappointed that he chose a flagship public university over those schools. They called him the black sheep of the family (I am not lying). Over the years, the parents got over it because they realized it was the right decision for him. He’s doing great things now, and they respect his choices. My whole point is don’t think you must follow your family’s expectations. Focus on the positive and complete your degree (three semesters left!). I have learned not to listen to what other people think; I must pursue what is right for me.</p>
<p>“black sheep of the family”</p>
<p>I am not that one yet… there’s one cousin who failed out of college… he’s the black sheep… but I am at least the grey one…
but then, that is one of the motivations that I want to land my fulltime BB job without them pulling strings to prove that I can :-p</p>
<p>If they’re so ****ed about your school choice, why not just go to an Ivy for grad school and get them off your back? No need to disrupt the current balance of things by leaving when you’re so close to graduating!</p>
<p>“No, I’ll stay in LSA. I want a liberal arts education, not vocational training. I don’t need Ross to break into banking/consulting. I already have boutique IBD offer as a freshman. I can stay in LSA and be better than Ross kids at what they do.”</p>
<p>You’re a freshman and you already have an offer??!! ***?!</p>
<p>bearcats, I feel for you. Luckily for me, most of my family (myself included) attended Ivy League schools, so we aren’t mystified by it. In fact, my mother is a Columbia alum and my uncle is a Wharton alum and both of them recommended Michigan over Columbia and Penn for my undergraduate studies. I really thank them for their good advice. </p>
<p>Number 1, I meant what I said, there is virtually no meaningful difference in the quality of students at Michigan and most of its private peers. That does not mean Michigan’s student body is identical, but it is not meaningfully weaker. And even for Investment Banking, I would chose Ross over AE. Roughly 75 (only 40 or in 2009, but that was a disaster year for Wall Street) or so Ross students end up at top IBanks each year. Unfortunately, Cornell AEM does not publish specific details, but I am fairly certain the numbers aren’t as impressive as Ross’. And given the new building, Ross would be a no-brainer. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>[Applied</a> Economics and Management/Cornell](<a href=“http://aem.cornell.edu/undergrad/job_placement.htm]Applied”>http://aem.cornell.edu/undergrad/job_placement.htm)</p>
<p>This said, like you, I also chose LSA Econ over Ross because I wanted the liberal arts education.</p>
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<p>Number 1, what is the secret to getting a boutique IBD offer as a freshman in LSA? (besides getting all A’s)
What classes did u take? Did they look at your classes?</p>
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<p>What did you value in L.A. education?</p>
<p>Tentai, he also went to some super-awesome (but marginally less awesome than where bearcats went) high school, which probably helped. I’m betting he came in with like 50 credits as well. And then he’s probably got connections through family/family friends. Then he’s probably also a genius. I don’t think he’s discovered any great secret that you could replicate. </p>
<p>Basically, my guess was it was decided for him before he did anything at Michigan.</p>
<p>“Number 1, what is the secret to getting a boutique IBD offer as a freshman in LSA? (besides getting all A’s) What classes did u take? Did they look at your classes?”</p>
<p>My dad made a phone call. Neither GPA nor classes was even asked.</p>
<p>Thank you for your honesty Number 1. Listen to him folks, contrary to what many here would try to lead you to believe, a university does not really land you a job at a major IBank or Management Consulting firm, connections do. As long as a student attends a major university (Ivies, top 20 private, top 5 public or top 10 LAC), and has good grades (3.5+) and good presentation skills (oratory and grooming) it will be one’s connections that will land a student such a job, not the university. The reason why HYP and Wharton are so effective at placing students in such companies is because so many students at those universities have parents working in those companies.</p>
<p>and because of alums, which in a way also counts as a type of connection, albeit a weaker one than a family friend</p>
<p>going through the investment banking recruiting process (thankfully with success) definitely made me get a better appreciation for how important it is to have influential alums going to bat for you in the process. michigan definitely does all right in that category, though unfortunately not as well as harvard or wharton</p>
<p>unless by “such jobs” you mean boutique ibd, but even then i know several ross students who got ibd or hedge fund jobs as sophs through alums without any other connections</p>
<p>Silly question, but how do get alums to go to the bat for you? How do you meet these people, and how do you get them to care about you enough to help you out?</p>