What's the deal with Liberals?

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<p>"After reading your posts about Foley, you must be a Dem. Did you know that the instant messages were a prank gone awry?"</p>

<p>Actually if you read my posts on the Foley matter I made a different point that others had not. Let me ask you to think of this question and list the advantages/disadvantages you think.</p>

<p>In 2001 or 03, when ever this was brought forward, would the GOP look any better than they do today? What's going on today is what would have happened then. </p>

<p>However? knowing something about somebody that would end their political career means you own them doesn't it? Would the party ever have to worry about dissent? It also appears Mr. Foley was bank for the party as well. </p>

<p>People in these situations tend to come forward when it looks like they will be outed, often via blackmail situations (mayor of jersey (D) for exmp.) Do you ever wonder how many live with the blackmail situation rather than out themselves? Or are you assuming every politican comes forward immediately when career damagaing information is held by someone else? </p>

<p>What will come out of this is who knew when, what actions took place and how if in anyway, did they benefit from the situation. I don't know if you think that is a "liberal" pov or a pov of someone who's a little bit learly of the situation. Do I need a political affliation to feel that way?</p>

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<p>Foley is stupid. Thats true. Of course, its going to drag down the entire republican party because thats just the way America operates during an election year. Sucks because the entire republican party isnt to blame for the actions of one man. But if I know the republicans, theyll keep control of both houses :)!!!!!!!</p>

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<p>OpiefromMayberry- </p>

<p>Look, I'm not trying to start an argument (although I pretty much knew I was going to end up in one due to the thread title) or tell everyone their opinions are wrong or older people are stupid. If you didn't think that you'd be in a political fight (assuming you're liberal) by crashing a thread a conservative made up, then you were dead wrong. I didn't mean any disrespect, although we both were sporting. And by saying that I knew more about politics than my hs APUSH teacher I didn't mean that I knew more than everyone else. I meant that I'm not one of those people who blab about politics and at the same time not be able to tell you what porkbarrel spending is. :) And I don't think you're stupid or wrong because you're older than me. I actually look up to older people for guidance, so please don't prejudge me. And you did make me feel old which was wierd because when customers want to buy cigarrettes from my place of work, they ask me if I'm old enough to sell them and that makes me feel like a little kid.</p>

<p>What I don't understand though, is how come you don't criticize those who bash Bush/conservatives who want everyone to think their way? I've seen numerous threads like this, and not once, not once, have I seen your posts criticizing the liberals/Dems for. You only criticize me because I'm a conservative and you're a liberal and my beliefs are way different from yours. And believe me, I was not more sporting than those people. What I said, was nothing, nothing, compared to what other people have posted. I have read EVERY SINGLE Bush bashing/conservative bashing thread on this site and those posts are very sporting. Everytime someone claims they're a Bush supporter, swarms of people gang up on that supporter. (i.e. the George Bush thread in the Confidential Cafe forum)</p>

<p>It's so funny, I was always scared to state my opinions about issues because I'm a conservative and I always get attacked constantly. I overcame that fear, and because of posters like yourself, I'm beginning to have this fear this again. I can't even make it known that I support GWB, or I'm a conservative without someone arguing with me and/or insulting me on this board and in real life situations. Yes, I may become a little argumentative in these threads, but I thought it was all in good fun. I like having an intellectual debate with someone with the opposing beliefs because it makes me think hard about why the opposing side believes what they believe. I guess you didn't take it that way. (I laugh at some of the Bush jokes Jay Leno and David Letterman make, because I have a sense of humor. I don't get angry and start throwing chairs around :P ) Although I do not agree with any of your political opinions, I am grateful for people like you who are passionate about what they believe in and are not afraid to say what's on their minds. </p>

<p>On the subject of Foley:</p>

<p>I highly suggest you watch the movie Capturing The Friedmans. Pretty thought provoking about that subject manner. If you don't have time to watch it, at least do some research on that case and the subject of repressed memories. </p>

<p>Btw, I'm not saying that Foley is innocent or guilty, because I wasn't there and I can't speak for the pages or for Foley. I read on the Drudge Report that sources have said that the IM conversation was distorted. <a href="http://www.drudgereport.com/page.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.drudgereport.com/page.htm&lt;/a> I don't know if this story is reliable or not, but every breaking news Drudge reported, the major outlets report 3 days later. (i.e. the Monica Lewinsky scandal) Whether you want to believe this story or not, that is up to you. </p>

<p>(offers olive branch to the liberals who are passionate about their beliefs and are political junkies)</p>

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<p>oh man...I just realized that I'm going to catch a lot of flak for saying that Foley is neither innocent nor guilty. Please don't attack me on this. The reason I posted that was because I read news reports that he <em>allegedly</em> sent the emails and the IMs. </p>

<p><em>waits to be politically harassed</em></p>

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<p>^Its not totally clear yet. Anyone who would attack you before more information is out would be rather partisan.</p>

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<p>okay so Foley <em>allegedly</em> sent the emails and the IMs and they were <em>allegedly</em> what he said verbatim.</p>

<p>I'm not going to turn this thread into a Mark Foley thread so I'm not going to comment about him here. There is another thread out there and it would be appropriate if I made my posts there.</p>

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<p>"What I don't understand though, is how come you don't criticize those who bash Bush/conservatives who want everyone to think their way? I've seen numerous threads like this, and not once, not once, have I seen your posts criticizing the liberals/Dems for."</p>

<p>Well, have you found anywhere I have sang their praises? :) I am a throwback to a day when you could be strong on defense and strong on social programs. That actually was the case when I was your age. </p>

<p>I have many times commended GW sr. for his decisions on IRAQ and I continue to. I don't care for BC decisions to expand trade with Communist China while HC sat on the board of Walmart. I dislike GWjr. because he is not a leader, he's a follower and a smoke blower. His decision making hasn't improved America and it's future. </p>

<p>So, how can I appreicate the father and not the son? Hum? by their actions. So would that make me a rep/dem? or someone who has lived awhile and lived under both parties politics? </p>

<p>So I guess it would be easy to lump me in with one extreme, when the current extreme in power hasn't really done anything to pull things to the center. </p>

<p>" You only criticize me because I'm a conservative and you're a liberal and my beliefs are way different from yours."</p>

<p>Actually it's not because your conservative, it had more to do with your critical attack on Satire. Satire is what separates us from the middleeastern countries. When they don't like the politics they riot. We for the most part, make fun through satire. It keeps us from outrage. The Daily show and Colbert report are political commentary (and South Park is too) in the same way Mark Russell (before your time, your folks I'll know) and Will Rogers were.
That is where we allow ourselves to remain civilized in situations we don't like. Making fun is always a better choice than making a fist. </p>

<p>"What I said, was nothing, nothing, compared to what other people have posted."</p>

<p>Very true. My points to you are very much to try and get you to think, because you're young enough to learn. You can still be conservative with an open mind. It isn't impossible. If you don't look at all sources (the kind you like and dislike) how can you feel fully informed? </p>

<p>"Everytime someone claims they're a Bush supporter, swarms of people gang up on that supporter. (i.e. the George Bush thread in the Confidential Cafe forum)"</p>

<p>That might be because he has about a 30% score in the popularity polls, so that means at least 2.33 people are going to yell at each 1. :) Also keep in mind sometimes a statement comes out where those standing in the middle go whaaa? Don't assume those who disagree are always the far left.</p>

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<p>I wasn't attacking satire. I was criticizing those who take the shows I previously mentioned (which are satire of current events) as the truth. There's nothing wrong with satire. If I had a problem with satire, then I most likely wouldn't have read Jonathan Swift or watch the Daily Show. I watch the Daily Show, but I do watch real news also. :)</p>

<p>We misunderstood each other, that's all. Glad to know we're okay. :D</p>

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<p>Satire is a way of presenting truths in a humorous way. How someone absorbs information and where from isn't as important as understanding what is being said. </p>

<p>Why do I watch them? cause they are light, they have a point and I don't feel like slashing my wrists after listening to them. Alot of these other shows... for crying out loud..the world as we know it is going to end. Your nieghbor voted different, he must be a fool, crazy, anti american etc...</p>

<p>At the end of these shows I can go onto something else, at the end of some of those others I have to take a shower, I feel so dirty. </p>

<p>I wish you luck and to always try and have an open mind. Things are never as good or bad as some will lead you to believe or god would've snuffed this puppy out and started over. :) have a great weekend.</p>

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<p>thank you :) I hope you're weekend goes very well and I wish you the best in life also. I hope MSU wins the football game tomorrow!</p>

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<p>*I have read EVERY SINGLE Bush bashing/conservative bashing thread on this site and those posts are very sporting. Everytime someone claims they're a Bush supporter, **swarms of people gang up on that supporter.<a href="i.e.%20the%20George%20Bush%20thread%20in%20the%20Confidential%20Cafe%20forum">/B</a></p>

<p>It's so funny, I was always scared to state my opinions about issues because I'm a conservative and I always get attacked constantly.*</p>

<p>Quoted for truth. Admitting that one is a conservative and -- God forbid -- a supporter of the president in this climate is akin to confessing that one rapes children whilst drinking the blood of puppies. It's F-ing INSANE out there today, especially as a young person, especially on college campuses.</p>

<p>Conservatives are the true rebels in this day and age. It takes balls.</p>

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<p>Um, do you know why so many people are turning into liberals? Because of conservatives like you. Conservatives who wish to limit peoples' civil rights.</p>

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<p>What? I'm all for supporting -- Hell, expanding -- people's civil rights. What I am against is murder. Murder should never be a civil right, ESPECIALLY when the victims are totally innocent (unborn children).</p>

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<p>That's a great example of what Republicans do, folks. Say they're for something, give it a different name, and then say they're against it. Way to perpetuate the stereotype, Fides!</p>

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<p>There hasn't been a strong republican candidate (or democrat candidate for that matter) since Barry Goldwater.</p>

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<p>Fides-- you are an ignorant loser.</p>

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<p>Barry Goldwater? Who's he?</p>

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<p>"Um, do you know why so many people are turning into liberals? Because of conservatives like you. Conservatives who wish to limit peoples' civil rights."</p>

<p>Was this directed towards me?</p>

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<p>A former republican presidential candidate and a small l libertarian (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/p>

<p>"Quoted for truth. Admitting that one is a conservative and -- God forbid -- a supporter of the president in this climate is akin to confessing that one rapes children whilst drinking the blood of puppies. It's F-ing INSANE out there today, especially as a young person, especially on college campuses."</p>

<p>Conservatives are the true rebels in this day and age. It takes balls."</p>

<p>Um, not so much. Last time I checked the republicans won the last two presidential elections</p>

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<p>Smurfette: no, it was directed towards Fides et Ratio.</p>