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<p>my son didn’t get in therefore the school is elitist</p>
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<p>I didn’t see anything funny… When a strong applicant was deferred by UM but accepted by many other reputable colleges with good scholarships, it surely means something is wrong with UM. That is the whole point of michmom tried to make. </p>
<p>Maybe “Narcissism” is a better word to describe what UM feels about itself. </p>
<p>It is OK for those people with thousands of posts to defend the university no matter what, but please defend in a reasonable and logic way.</p>
<p>This thread is getting pretty heated. From my understanding, an EA applicant, when deferred, is thrown into the RD pool. Once there, he’s the same as all the others. Some can even argue that the applicant already got one response, so let the other applicants who came in after get theirs, then he can get another response. The rest of the schools to which I applied didn’t have rolling so I haven’t thought much about it. I am awaiting my decision from Michigan as well, but I understand they’re doing what they think is best.</p>
<p>Also, GoBlue81, I’m pretty sure Cornell doesn’t defer, like Vanderbilt.</p>
<p>Yeah UM might want to restructure the admissions rollout framework soon…I was deferred EA but received likely letters from Cornell and Duke, and was recently accepted to Northwestern, Boston College, and NYU…Yet I hear no response from Michigan yet? It’s safe to say that any intentions I had of ever attending Michigan were quashed by their lack of seemly timing…</p>
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That’s a little ridiculous. We don’t know anything about this person’s son besides he has a 4.0 and scholarships from other (or another) school(s). From looking at her 7 posts, it seems that other school is Miami of Ohio. It’s a good school, but not as competitive as Michigan. We also don’t know this kid’s test scores, which obviously play a huge role. Since she hasn’t flaunted them like she has his GPA, I’m guessing they may have been the reason. Michigan doesn’t just reject obviously qualified candidates, they try to build the best class possible. It’s their University and they can let in whomever they please.</p>
<p>“Michigan doesn’t just reject obviously qualified candidates”
Well that’s funny seeing that they haven’t accepted me yet, and, to be quite frank with you, most of the schools i’ve gotten into are better than Michigan so… :/</p>
<p>i got college of william and marys letter today… best ever</p>
<p>Dear _____:
People say that good things come in small packages, but in college admissions, good things come in thick envelopes. Consider this the small package, but something bigger is on its way.
Be sure to check your mailbox closely in the coming days.
Welcome to the Tribe!
– The Admission Committee</p>
<p>thats how id like a college to treat me… just sayin</p>
<p>LOL, sickmuse, since when are Boston College, Northwestern and NYU <em>better</em> than UMich? Don’t delude yourself because of your frustration.
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<p>This is the first time in a long while I’ve seen rejections make people more arrogant…</p>
<p>Um…pretty sure I said “most” of the colleges I was accepted into were better than UMich, and I’m pretty sure that DUKE (USNEWS:9), CORNELL (USNEWS:15), and NORTHWESTERN (USNEWS:14), which are all ranked scores higher than Michigan in several reputable ranking sources (in case you plan to launch an attack on the validity of US News rankings), constitute a MAJORITY of my college acceptances so far. Furthermore, you seem to think that rejections are making people (I’m assuming you are referring to me) more arrogant, but fail to realize that I was deferred, not rejected. In fact, I’m pretty sure that I will be accepted into UMich. NONETHELESS, my point was that UMich’s acceptance rollout wasn’t the best. Clearly you missed this point, and instead thought that you would comment on my “frustrations”. The only one laboring under florid delusions is you, KenLewis…</p>
<p>Oh, how typical, a high school student citing US News. Furthermore, a high school student using rankings! I didn’t say UMich is better than those schools, but it’s certainly not worse than those schools because of some silly ranking.</p>
<p>No, I wasn’t referring to you regarding arrogance/rejection, so that point falls flat; there were actually several threads about this topic on these forums, and I just decided to post that comment here. I can recognize the difference between confidence and arrogance. I was also pretty sure I would receive a UMich acceptance when I was in HS (and I did).</p>
<p>The only delusions I was referring to regarding your post was your ignorant opinion on the difference in quality among the schools you mentioned. You are an unproven high school student; you really aren’t in a good position to judge schools, but you’re free to regurgitate whatever rankings you wish to. Again, note, I’m not really judging schools that much either - I didn’t say those schools were worse. I know intelligent people who have attended all of the schools you have listed.</p>
<p>P.S. US News is a joke. Seriously. At least cite the other sources you think are valid, instead, if you’re already anticipating attacks against your chosen one.</p>
<p>Oh, how typical, a Michigan student using ad hominem arguments against an “unproven high school student” and replying with a post full of thinly veiled sarcasm. Bravo! However, I’m still a little confused as to why you are posting seemingly immaterial comments on a forum that is asking high school seniors who applied to Michigan this year about the admissions rollout…Does engaging in repartee with “unproven high school” students really satiate your ego that much?</p>
<p>What? Where did I attack your character? In case you missed it, I don’t think you are arrogant; I think you are confident. I didn’t call you an idiot, because I don’t think you are one. I don’t really know what you’re reading, though. I thought your argument, not you, was pretty stupid.</p>
<p>Calling you unproven isn’t an attack. How many high school students have actually done something that has had an impact?</p>
<p>Also, where was my sarcasm? You sound really frustrated.</p>
<p>You’re right. This whole college admissions process is making me irrationally irritable. Lol.</p>
<p>P.S. I love Michigan. That’s why I applied. I just really wanna get in. Lol :(</p>
<p>It’s cool. I did the same kind of stuff in high school. :-p</p>
<p>Good luck. I hope you get in.</p>
<p>Mich is the last school I thought I was a match for, after looking at my schools scattergrams and talking to my guidance counselor. Everywhere else I have to hear from is a reach or far-reach so finding out has also been really killing me. This switch to Common App definitely increased their applications and diminished my chances. Naturally, if Mich accepted me earlier, I would have been more inclined to attend (I realize this is assuming they ever will accept me, not necessarily the case), but now I have already considered other options much moreso.</p>
<p>I might be a little biased, but there’s some elitist attitude on the part of Michigan and what is sad is that this US News ranking is driving many colleges to become elitist (at least on surface). Michigan certainly is a better school than USC like another poster noted above. Most 2nd tier colleges seem to be playing the ranking game (some allegedly cooking its stats to show higher ranking). I think one of the reasons that prompted Michigan to Common App is to derive more applicants (selectivity?) and obviously they weren’t quite ready to handle it. UC colleges have been on their own common app for years and therefore huge # of applications and they are handling it fine. It seems obvious that Michigan was not well prepared to handle the number of applications that they got through common app. At the same time, they said April 15, so I think it is too harsh to call them unprofessional. I am very sure that they wanted to finish this earlier but simply didn’t have the manpower to do it.</p>
<p>In summary, it’s been a while since I had to apply to a college myself and competition is indeed fierce. College acceptances these days look like a roulette with students applying to many colleges (internet made it possible) and so-called selectivity (admit/applicants) becoming an issue while the inexact-at-best US News ranking is gaining more and more credibility (many private colleges apparently are busy window dressing their stats). With economic crisis, put need-blind factor into the equation, you have this unpredictable outcomes. It’s kind of sad to see a great institution like Michigan being drawn into this ranking game. </p>
<p>Maybe I am not as informed but this is what I felt going through the March madness.</p>
<p>how did we decide usc is better than mich?</p>
<p>usc is pretty impressive</p>
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<p>High School students: RRR RRR RRR Michigan is horrible. How could I not got in. I mean it’s ME, ME!! Michigan must have something wrong with it to not accept me. I mean I freakin got into (insert school here) with a USNR of (insert number here) and that’s higher than Michigan, so I should get in here.</p>
<p>Post High School people: You’re not anything special. Calm down. If you all of a sudden are “disgusted” with Umich or think it is “elitist” then fine, think they. They really don’t need you anyway. They never did.</p>
<p>Kids these days… (And to be fair, even my age and down. Why is everyone acting so entitled and impatient. I wonder what this thtead would look like in 4 years when those kids get defered. “My mom says I am the best and I take my ADD meds and I am in a softball league that doesn’t keep score but I am the best”)</p>
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FWIW, I think Michigan indeed does reject or defer obviously qualified candidates insofaras I’ve personally seen some rejected. In their assessments, applicants are rated “admit with reservation, admit, and high admit.” Those three categories typically apply to people with the “stats” combo that fit the school profile.</p>
<p>What people seem to overlook is the reputation and caliber of the applicant’s school; the regional or national distinction in a discipline of an applicant, or other mitigating factors that make ONE applicant a more attractive candidate or at least make one applicant “stand out” more easily to the admissions committee. In addition, I believe they also look for profiles of students most likely to matriculate. (At least, that’s what I’d do.)</p>
<p>I believe this is why many qualified students are deferred or waitlisted at Michigan and ARE accepted to schools that use more of a stat-based admit model and a slightly less holistic assessment tool. In other words, a rejection doesn’t necessarily mean you didn’t have the academic achievement or prowess; it means that you may not have in your recommendations, essays, and overall application have SUFFICIENTLY distinguished yourself, according to Michigan’s criteria, from other applicants.</p>
<p>People (understandably) ascribe more “meaning” to UMich’s admit vicissitudes than they should, IMHO.</p>
<p>While I don’t like that UM has made some applicants wait a lot longer than they really should, you have to understand that this is the first year Michigan has done the Common App and they do not have a good system set up yet, and just like any other Top School, they are going to have to reject some very qualified applicants. That is just the world we live in today, there are more top applicants than there are spots in the top schools</p>