<p>lol @ inconspicuous and princessbelle's comments about Nigerian movies. I'm watching one right now titled "love and Money" lol!! I love them!</p>
<p>Is this a serious question?
It's all about one's motivation to achieve and succeed; i dont think you can generalize one race is genetically "intelligent" over the other.
o well, enjoy this clip from carlos mencia
YouTube</a> - Carlos Mencia on Asians</p>
<p>ahh, carlos at it again
saying things that raise eyebrows in a comedy bar
but would incite violence on a common street.</p>
<p>;-)</p>
<p>I'm sorry, Carlos Mencia is an idiot. At first he had some good stuff. Now it's generally "lolz I said something offensive and politically incorrect - laughz plz!!111"</p>
<p>^^he is an idiot and he steals jokes....</p>
<p>^but he makes them funnier than they were. most of his stuff is funny</p>
<p>Sorry Carlos Mencia sucks... never liked him, never will. </p>
<p>Anyways, back to the original topic, I've noticed this too. My school has many African American kids (may be more now because they are coming from Detroit), about 10% of students are African American and I know of ONE in AP Calc in my school, and only TWO in AP Eng, and the one in calc is one of the ones in AP Eng. </p>
<p>And another sad thing is, on our MEAPs last year (standardized tests in Michigan) 0% scored in level 1 in reading and math (the highest you can score). Of special ed kids, 1% scored in level 1. They were the lowest in all of the sections. Our dropout rate overall is ~11%. The African American drop out rate is over 35%. </p>
<p>It's sad but true. And most of the African American students come from wealthy backgrounds (except those from Detroit) and they have every way of succeeding like non African American students, but it's just "cooler" for them to act gangsta and act like idiots, even when they're not. White people do it too, don't get me wrong. </p>
<p>I on the other hand am white but grew up in the ghetto with parents who never even graduated high school. Do I get any advantage? No, maybe a little because my parents never graduated. But my African American friend in both AP classes gets a huge advantage, even though her parents are both lawyers who went to top schools.</p>
<p>The point is, any AA should come from socioeconomic disadvantages because race should not be an advantage or a disadvantage. </p>
<p>Plus if you want to go back to the slave issue, yes it sucks. But then what about Jews? They've been slaves for thousands of years. I come from a gypsy heritage, we STILL have laws banning us in many states (not enforced, obviously). I just hate when African Americans blame me for slavery and keeping them "down" when my ancestors didn't even come to America until a generation ago (my mom) and two generations ago (my paternal grandparents). [That last part was a rant obviously]. </p>
<p>Ok done now :].</p>
<p>Your either really du*b or really ignorant...in fact your entire post is laced with unsupported/untrue statements </p>
<p>"most African American students come from wealthy backgrounds....and they have every way of succeeding like non African American students"</p>
<p>Thats new when did this happen?? Im pretty sure all the dominant african-American neighborhoods like Harlem, Camden, Trenton, Detroit, Newark, etc are filled with rich kids....in fact i CANT think of a single dominant black neighborhood that is considered even middle class...</p>
<p>"But my African American friend in both AP classes gets a huge advantage, even though her parents are both lawyers who went to top schools."</p>
<p>^^huge advantage...how?? ooo wait she has an "Alleged" black friend, with parents who are both big time lawyers and graduated from top schools but lives in the ghetto's of Detroit with you of course (as you stated) ...im sure that's not a lie...</p>
<p>"0% scored in level 1 in reading and math (the highest you can score). Of special ed kids, 1% scored in level 1. They were the lowest in all of the sections. Our dropout rate overall is ~11%. The African American drop out rate is over 35%."</p>
<p>where did you get all of this...its not like its published....you sure you didnt fabricate these statistics...hmmm</p>
<p>"any AA should come from socioeconomic disadvantages because race should not be an advantage or a disadvantage."</p>
<p>As another member on this board stated U gotta remember that schools admit males over more qualified females (engineering), athletes over more qualified non athletes, musicians over more qualified non musicians, rural students over more qualified urban students, intended male nursing students over more qualified female nursing majors, black male education majors over more qualified female black educators, legacy over non-legacy students, top private school kids over top public school kids, recruit more Asians at LACS, etc. It's not just an ethnic issue. Pick your poison</p>
<p>Im not even going to go near your "rant" because its well ...dumb</p>
<p>Ok done now :].</p>
<p>I was referring to those in my high school. Sorry I didn't make that clear enough. </p>
<p>BTW, I said many of them COME FROM Detroit, they no longer live there. My city is wealthy and has a good school district. </p>
<p>As for the scores, here you go <a href="http://www.pccs.k12.mi.us/district/annualreports/pcep/pcep-annualreport2006.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.pccs.k12.mi.us/district/annualreports/pcep/pcep-annualreport2006.pdf</a> so I'm not sure why you don't think they don't publish these statistics. I'm not sure where the race dropout page is that I found, but that gives MEAP scores.</p>
<p>Enjoy.</p>
<p>BTW, you could very easily look at my location and see that I am not from Detroit. In fact, I did not grow up in Detroit, I did live there briefly but I grew up elsewhere. People come in to our school district when the Detroit teachers go on strike.</p>
<p>And my <em>alleged</em> black friend has openly stated that she her race has probably gotten her into some of the colleges she applied to. Her mother went to Duke and her father to Yale (I believe) and lives in a very nice house. She is thinking of attending WashU although shooting for Cornell if you're interested.</p>
<p>"my <em>alleged</em> black friend has openly stated that she her race has probably gotten her into some of the colleges she applied to."</p>
<p>The world may never know....</p>
<p>"act gangsta" </p>
<p>i didn't know this was a reflection of someones academic ability.</p>
<p>Basically your post carries no weight..</p>
<p>If it carried no weight, then people would ignore it, and you wouldn't feel the need to attack it.</p>
<p>Even though im a quater black ( mom is black/Italian dad is welsh) < i know people will ask... When i see things like (below) its hard not to say anything...i mean b/c thats just completely false and ridiculous </p>
<p>"I just hate when African Americans blame me for slavery and keeping them "down""</p>
<p>...what ever African-American that told you this is a complete idiot...and probably just as ignorant as your post</p>
<p>"most African American students come from wealthy backgrounds....and they have every way of succeeding like non African American students"</p>
<p>Keep an open mind kid...you have alot of growing up to do....</p>
<p>Again, I said in my SCHOOL because I live in a WEALTHY district and therefore MOST of the people who live there are WEALTHY regardless of color. </p>
<p>And as for the slavery issue, I have personally been told that I'm white so I'm keeping the black people down. Mind you, I was told this by parents of the children I coach in the league that I started for disadvantage children. The majority of whom IN THE LEAGUE are African American. </p>
<p>I have an open mind, trust me. I don't have a lot of growing up to do, you have to learn how to read what people say.</p>
<p>ixjunitxi, please don't take romanigypsyeyes's quote out of context. She has already clearly explained that the statement "most of the African American students come from wealthy backgrounds (except those from Detroit) and they have every way of succeeding like non African American students" refers SPECIFICALLY to HER high school, a statement readers should be able to accept. Consistently misquoting romanigypsyeyes is seriously detracting from any argument you're trying to make.</p>
<p>Of course, you may want to challenge the assumption made that wealth=equal opportunity, which would be a much more constructive discussion.</p>
<p>Edit: Cross-posted.</p>
<p>there is no argument there wealth does equal opportunity lol....</p>
<p>Actually, not necessarily. For example, do black people in America suffer from low expectations placed on them by society regardless of their socioeconomic level? Consider that in a psychology study, when students were told that they were taking the SAT, a test that is supposed to be diagnostic in nature, the traditional gap in test scores between white students and black students exist. However, when students were told that they were taking just a simple test, no specifics mentioned about what kind of test it was, there was no gap in scores between black and white students. The average score for black students jumped! This was despite the fact that the simple test was ALSO the SAT. This study implies that one crucial factor in low test scores among the black population is the cognitive load that comes from the expectation that they will score low.</p>
<p>The student populations tested were controlled for factors such as wealth, location, etc. The only difference between the two groups were that one knew it was the SAT (and so students had assumptions about how they would do) and the other did not.</p>
<p>"do black people in America suffer from low expectations placed on them by society"</p>
<p>im sure this is very true...</p>
<p>"between white students and black students exist."</p>
<p>if i am reading this <em>right</em> lol ... the test was done between blacks not in the same socio-economic background....so you are comparing students of unequal opportunity right? </p>
<p>the only way this test can be accurate ( to prove wealth+opportunity) is if it were to compare the study of black students in say (harlem) to the black students in (upper east side) THAT will show if wealth=opportunity not the study you provided.</p>
<p>Except that his study was an example of the pressure society places on them, not of socioeconomic status.</p>
<p>^^more like the lack of pressure...</p>
<p>and the the initial argument was to show that wealth=oppurtunity</p>
<p>If black people in America suffer from low expectations placed on them by society, then this affects black people across the socioeconomic spectrum, REGARDLESS of whether they are rich or poor. So, in this case black students with the same wealth as their white counterparts do not necessarily have the same opportunities.</p>
<p>If it was simply lack of pressure (something that affects all students, not only black students), the scores for white students should have jumped as well, resulting in a test gap. Instead, the scores for white students were pretty constant while the scores for black students in this study jumped considerably.</p>
<p>This study was done with two student groups that were CONTROLLED for socioeconomic status, meaning there was NO OVERALL DIFFERENCE in wealth between the two student groups. This is to ensure that the only factor that changed was whether or not the students knew they were taking the SAT. If the only thing that prevents black people as a population from testing as well as their white counterparts is lack of wealth, there should have been no difference in test scores in this study between the black students of the first student group and the black students of the second student group.</p>
<p>We can't just compare scores between black students in Harlem and black students from the Upper East Side because this tells us nothing about what causes the DIFFERENCES in achievement between black students and white students which is the essential question that the OP is asking. If you compared scores of white students in poor neighborhoods with white students from rich neighborhoods, I'm sure you'll find an achievement gap there, too.</p>
<p>So, if society is contributing to the problem, how do we, as an individual and as a nation, go about fixing educational disparity in America? It's a tough question to answer.</p>