Why even bother???

Hmm. I sense a minor backlash from the initial supportive responses to my original post, prompted mostly by the student who’s been accepted to Columbia (major congrats to you). Maybe I should expand upon my points.

My daughter goes to a private prep school – not one of the elite ones, but one that sends a significant portion of its graduates to the Ivies and the tier just below. We are struggling to afford the tuition, but we enrolled her in sixth grade when our financial situation was markedly different, and so now, when it’s extremely difficult, we are doing everything we can to keep her there, as pulling a kid in ninth grade and sending her to a mediocre public school (no possible other way to describe it) would have been a real wrenching change with major downsides.

I am by no means giving up on my kids. By opting out, I am forgoing one path I see before me that many, if not most, of her classmates are taking. My daughter has friends who can’t come over on weekends because they are required to study all day. She has friends who can’t come to camp in our woods (we have a large rural property) during the summer because they are at chemistry camp. She has classmates whose parents call the school to complain when their kid gets less than an A on a test. This is ninth grade, remember.

She also has classmates who will get BMWs on their 16th birthday; others go away on family jets to exotic vacations or hang out with celebrities. Their perfect lives are seemingly assured.

We can’t compete with that kind of lifestyle, and I am choosing not to put my kids through that kind of adolescence, one characterized by work to the exclusion of all else, one in which anything less than an Ivy acceptance is a failure. (Yes, a friend’s parent actually told me that.)

But she is getting a superior education, learning critical analysis and creativity and not spitting back standardized test answers to satisfy state mandates. She’s involved with a sport and also theater production and is passionate about them. She does her community service with vigor. She has a great group of friends; she loves outdoor activities; she’s growing up with a great set of experiences and ideas for the future.

She also took the SAT in eighth grade and did well enough to qualify for CTY, FWIW (not that we can afford anything they offer).

My other kid, bless his heart, is only in fifth grade but has already solemnly informed us he wants to go to a prep boarding school that requires an entrance exam, and then plans to attend Stanford for astronomy. Lofty plans; I won’t shoot them down at this stage but I’m realistic.

All of this is to say that I’m by no means letting my kids slack off in their rooms watching video games (but hey, they do that too). Nor are they the types to settle for that.

I’m just saying that a top school is probably out of reach. We don’t have the resources for endless enrichment camps, overseas volunteering projects, constant tutoring – all of which my daughter’s classmates are already employing. We are a white family with the benefits of an upper-middle-class income, but we’re in a fiercely competitive sector of the country, and all of this works against us in this particular situation.

My daughter works hard, Alpha101. She is already making a name for herself among her teachers with her leadership and maturity. Yes, she strives to do better, yes, I tell her she’s smart enough to do whatever she wants. I certainly don’t tell her she’s more dumb than other kids; good grief! Of course I want her to work her ass off, just as I did. But she is not an automaton; nor do I want her to be. So when she finishes in the top 30% or even 10% of her class, it’ll be with a stellar education and foundation. But it won’t get her into an Ivy. The competition is too far ahead of us.

I see this a lot with very bright kids who assume that what is happening above has nothing to do with intelligence, only drive and degree of laziness. They can’t put themselves in the shoes of other people, and think everyone thinks the way they do.

I’m assuming that she’s Student A, but what she fails to understand is the mindset of Students B & C.

What’s really happening is that Students B & C simply are not wired to study an hour and a half per subject each day, plus two hours on the weekend. They will sit down at the table and one hour in (or 30 minutes, or 15, depending on the kid) their brain just can’t absorb any more information. This is not “laziness”, this is a kid that takes in and processes information differently.

Students B & C may need to learn different techniques like the Pomodoro or Chunking to maximize their ability to absorb, retain, and regurgitate information. But just because they don’t learn like you learn is no reason to belittle their efforts.

No kid thinks “it’s not worth it, I WANT to fail AP Chem”. No. What’s going on in that kid’s head is a paralyzing FEAR of failure and a lack of processes in place to help them overcome that fear and inability to study in a manner that is productive.

Figuring out how you study, and figuring out how hard you can and should grind is fundamental to personal satisfaction and happiness. I’m glad you can grind like a superhero all week for a Chem test, but understand that your way is not the BEST way. It’s just your way (and luckily for you the way many high school classes are taught), and it works for you.

Apologies to the OP for thread spread. I’m with you on getting off the crazy train-CC has been a great eye opener for me, and like @CourtneyThurston so wisely posted a few weeks ago, we’re now looking for the “intersection of cheap and good” for colleges for the girls. Much more sane.

Great replies above. This site is 99% noise with an occasional pearl. You need to find the prestigiosity thread and maybe that will give you a good laugh.

OMG, prestigiosity??? Get me outta here!!! :slight_smile:

@Krenster: Exactly. And I’ve been meaning to thank you for using the term “special snowflake” in your lead sentence in your original post. It made me smile. And right there with ya.

“one in which anything less than an Ivy acceptance is a failure. (Yes, a friend’s parent actually told me that.)”

What an elitist [-(

Thanks for clarifying, apologies for misinterpreting your original post. I’m 100% with you on your decision and many parents and users on CC would be, too.

“I’m just saying that a top school is probably out of reach.”

OP, I was really with you (post #60) until this statement. It is all in how one defines “top school.” If, for example, you have a look at the Forbes list of top 100 colleges there are probably at least several that your daughter would potentially be accepted to, without a lot of extra preparation and a “padded” resume. Numbers 98, 99, and 100 on the list are Rhodes, U of Richmond and Trinity U in Texas. She would receive an outstanding education at each of these. And they are what Forbes believes to be in the top 4% of colleges & universities in the nation.

You’re right, MidwestDad. And as I was trying to say in my initial post, it’s MY expectations that have to be tempered. I am the one who was toying with the idea of helicoptering my kids to some perceived top school. Part of the opting out process for me is not buying into the Harvard-or-bust mentality which, believe me, is all I hear sometimes. But part of it also is realizing that awesome schools are out there and my definitions are woefully parochial and short-sighted. So there’s that.

Thanks OP. My daughter’s core group of HS friends are all first years at Denison, Columbia, Barnard, Wooster, Dartmouth, Middlebury, Rice, Bryn Mawr, Skidmore, Wittenberg, Northeastern, Johns Hopkins and American U. As far as I can tell, they are all very happy with their choices, as is D who is at Forbes #84. They had varying abilities and varying interests, but most of them pursued activities that they liked during school. “Columbia” was probably the most driven friend in the group, but even she pursued activities that she enjoyed and any extra tutoring that she did was largely because of an intense passion for learning. They all found their place, and all at “top” schools.

OP, reading your post #60 made me smile. Sounds like you and your daughter are going to be fine. I also immediately thought of the “Applying sideways” blog, which someone else already posted about in #15. Too many kids spend their entire high school years trying to mold themselves into what they think the Ivies or most select schools want, instead of exploring and enjoying those years and then seeing what school fits.

One thing I’ll say in partial support of the comments by @Alpha101 : don’t get too intimidated by the fact that peers have expensive tutoring. My older D had a part time job working for a local tutoring company (they did both SAT/ACT test prep and also academic tutoring). She did proctoring of practice exams, scoring and other front office work. Many of her peers were getting very expensive tutoring at the insistence of their parents, and most of those peers attended the tutoring resentfully. D bought test prep books on Amazon (usually $20-$25) for the SAT, subject tests and AP exams and studied on her own. She did very well on her tests.This strategic is not going to work for her sister with dyslexia and ADHD, but it worked for her.

Let’s be honest, @Krenster exhibits far more ambition and care about her children’s education than someone who says, “why bother” with elite colleges. Anyone who comes to CC “a couple of years” before her children are even in high school is far more concerned about colleges than she is letting on. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But I would read her original post as more an opening salvo than a resignation in protest.

^^I don’t think of it as her resigning in protest; it seems more like a course correction to me.

“also has classmates who will get BMWs on their 16th birthday; others go away on family jets to exotic vacations or hang out with celebrities. Their perfect lives are seemingly assured.”

All that means is that they have nicer cars and vacations. That’s all. Doesn’t mean anything about a “perfect life.”

@Krenster , just reading your post #60 again. I think you have the right attitude. However, there are kids who get inot Ivies without all those advantages you speak of. 5 kids in our public high school did this school year when they applied early action. Brown kid lives in a modest home and has two working parents. He is gifted and does everything brilliantly, including being an athlete and playing two instruments. Harvard kid is the typical well-rounded class president. He also comes from a family of modest means. I am not entirely sure about the three Cornell kids, but in general, though there are plenty of well-off people in my community, I doubt that any of those kids come from very rich families. I want to emphasize that I think for each of those five kids, they were all very driven and determined. I truly think they got into those schools because they worked their bottoms off and went above and beyond. If your kids end up being kids like that, then I bet they will get into top schools too, if that is what their hearts are set on. Yes, there are clearly prep schools that are Ivy feeders, but I also think colleges can tell when a kid does it all “on their own” and they love kids like that.