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oh lord...you guys need to take an american history class....and a philosophy class.....and a government class......or actually....how about just WITNESS 9-11 with your own ****in eyes out of your window...then you'll understand...stupid conservatives....."the liberals are america's problem"...wow....so ignorant, its unfathomable*

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and look at these high schoolers, they dont understand anything, even though i am one myself, but i thankfully know the true meaning of what an American is

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wow....the stupidity is quite rampant here....

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ive thoroughly realized that CC is indeed infested with rich white prep kids

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wow....this is ridiculous....arrogance is bliss

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<p>Etc. (emphasis mine)</p>

<p>Now, perhaps you are a humble intellectual. But from what I've seen you post over the past few days, you seem more like a troll. I have yet to see you make a substantive comment in this thread, just snide remarks about conservatives, CCers, and President Bush.</p>

<p>Since I think you're intelligent enough, why not post a thoughtful consideration of the topic at hand?</p>

<p>Im quite offended for being called a troll. Its quite funny too since ive been a member here and posted much more than you have, and been engage in much more conversations than you. This post was about getting a 760 on the SAT II. And thanks for giving me approval of my 'humble intelligence.' Its so nice of you (sarcasm). Someone, who i cant identify, posted something relating to politics, and well, when theres politics, especially those that condemn liberals, i just get very hyped up, because i feel defensive, considering my position and role in the Democratic party. Anyway, I dont feel like writing a discussion of my views, but to give you insight, my views are exactly the same as the ones xindianx has and if you want a discussion of my position and consideration of the topic, you should read the response of xindianx talking about all the negatives of the Bush administration and the Republican agenda. I remarked in the way I did, because i was tired of spilling my views since ive done it a lot before on CC. I know many people on CC. I hope that clears things up, and proves that im certainly not a troll. I am quite bipartisan, though im firmly loyal to only the Democratic party/progressive ideals/liberal ideals...whatever you want to call it.</p>

<p>I call it as I see it, and I'm sorry if that offends you. My last post stands for itself, and I will write no more on this.</p>

<p>Ok this was posted 2 pages back and is irrelevant to both the current discussion and the original question but I want to clarify my position anyway.</p>

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<p>a. I 'singled' out Hinduism because I was specifically asked why I was rejecting it after being born into it and not because I was trying to make it look bad in comparison with other religions. </p>

<p>b. And I already said that organized religion is not for me for reasons that both you and I have mentioned.</p>

<p>If I have hurt anyone's religious sentiments I sincerely apologize. Nothing could have been further from my intentions</p>

<p>Why can't we all just get along? As I can tell from these posts we all have strong political opinions (a sign of intellect). More importantly, these posts help dispell the notion that teenagers are politically apathetic and don't care about the way our country is run. In a day when politics are impacted drastically by image and the endorsement of celebrity figures, it is nice to know some people still look at a candidate's actual record in order to judge how well he/she performed his/her job as an elected official. As a liberal from Massachusetts, I naturally dislike Bush, but I try to look beyond his foibles and mistakes as a president. I was extremely upset when he "stole" the 2000 election through political wizardry, but we must face it: he is the leader of our country and there is nothing we can do about it. (unless he happens to become involved in a sexual affair while under oath) We must look beyond our political differences if we ever want to get things accomplished as a nation. Unfortunately for many, the newly appointed conservative justices may dictate life as we know it for the next 50 years. I guarantee if embryonic stem cell research or gay marriage is tried at the supreme court level, it will be found unconstitutional. I for one feel sympathetic to the homosexual and disabled communities who may suffer do to the conservative mentallity of these judges. To sum it all up, let your voice resound on political opinions for miles around. But don't stab your neighbor with caustic words for holding different principles than you. Our differences make our nation great.</p>

<p>ps: If you hate liberals and conservatives and want a riot, vote libertarian in 2008.</p>

<p>All this political conflict only has one resolution: HE MUST RETAKE THE 760 AND GET AN 800, or we will have to BATTLE in a cyber-war.</p>

<p>lol....Well, i agree. I, again, am very bipartisan and I try to resolve issues, thats why at the Young Democrats at my HS, being the President, i invite all views, not just Democrats. According to the young dems of america constitution, thats unconstitutional, but i do it anyway, because what good will it be if liberals or conservatives keep isolating each other to just one side. </p>

<p>Obviously, the conservative agenda isnt working, thats why our job is to elect a Democrat in 2008. Thats all we have to do. Politics works in cycles. People get sick of Dems, they vote Repub, and vice versa. people will get sick of the conservatives and im positive that they will be thrown out of office in 2006 and 2008, trust me. Its the cycle of politics and social oscillation. Think of it this way, 1920-1930 was conservative, 1930-1940 was liberal, 1940-1960 was conservative, 1960-1980 was a liberal era in America. 1980-2000 or so was conservative. We are about to enter a cycle of liberalism. Its even seen in the federal government with Bush. Im sorry, but Bush is no conservative. The federal government is larger than ever. That completely is not a stance of the Republicans/conservatives. </p>

<p>By the way, the Supreme Court has 9 justices, 4 conservative, 4 liberal, and 1 moderate or so. The conservative Rehnquist is retiring any day now, and I think that a conservative Supreme court judge wont change much. They wont overturn abortion rights, and gay marriage wont be legalized in America either, for a long time. Also, pressure from the public is the most important thing. In the end, no president will go so highly against the American public for a long time. Stem cell research WILL be implemented state by state, until the feds will have to make it nationwide. NJ, NY, CA, and many other states are already having private funding. The court will continue to lean slightly liberal, though its quite moderate if you ask me, compared to the Warren court of the 1960s and 70s where all those liberal reforms were implemented.</p>

<p>BTW, DO NOT vote libertarian. Thats just a waste of a vote. Libertarianism wont succeed anywhere, and it never has and never will. Its like anarchy. </p>

<p>Those are my views. As a moderate pro-choice, pro-stem cell research, anti-open borders liberal from New York City, its really nice to discuss these things with all of you. It brings me enjoyment to discuss issues that most HS'ers have no idea about. </p>

<p>By the way, dont get all pessimistic. The world and i mean the whole world, is naturally becoming more and more liberal and secular than ever before. Europe is very liberal and secular now to the point where it has dropped its Catholic/Protestant/Orthodox past. Canada is liberal, and so is Australia. Conservatives are even slowly losing influence in Iran, and other middle eastern countries. Liberalism will prevail in the end. There really is no place for being conservative in the world, if you think about it. Why not giving women a voice? Why not thinking for yourself? Why not accepting all cultures and faiths? Why not? This isnt the 19th century anymore. Thanks to liberals do we have women and African-Americans at the voting booth. You can drink your beer thanks to liberals. You get your pension fund thanks to liberals, otherwise, you'd be homeless by 70. </p>

<p>That was just a little discussion of well...my views. :)</p>

<p>I agree that politics is cyclical, and that action inspires reaction. However, I think you've misread the political tea leaves. The major issues in the next election will all revolve around social policy. Throughout the 1990s, liberals have had the upper-hand in this area, particularly in influencing the courts and social institutions. This has led to greater acceptance of homosexuality (to the point of civil union), greater understanding, and greater tolerance. Unfortunately, liberal activists have forced the issue too far. People can only tolerate gradual change, taken in increments. Radical changes, such as the legalization of gay marriage in Massachusetts, inspire harsh reactionary responses. This is why there was a surge of anti-homosexual activism, culminating in the passage of a number of constitutional amendments banning gay marriage at the state level. I think that this trend will persist for at least a little while longer, especially since social change is not an especially short-term phenomenon. Eventually, of course, people will come to support gay marriage. I'm afraid that that acceptance has been set back for some time, however.</p>

<p>In the 2008 election, I see this reactionary effect as working to the benefit of the GOP, which'll no doubt nominate a strong social conservative. On the other hand, Bush's mismanagement in many areas of policy and governance work against them. As does the popularity, quality, and moderation of the Democratic candidates (the paragon is whom is Richardson). I still think that the Democrats will win the Presidency, but it'll be close; it's extremely hard to forecast what the passions of the electorate will be like.</p>

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<p>First of all, no one single belief system will completely eliminate the others. There are few absolutes in the social sciences, and this is not one of them. People have naturally distinct opinions, and conservatism is a powerful and timeless critique of the human condition. So while the general trend may be to move in one direction, there will always be nuance and gray.</p>

<p>As far as the west is concerned, I'd absolutely agree with you. Continental Europe is headed toward some form of social-market liberalism, and Britain and its former colonies more toward capitalistic neoliberalism. However, I don't think its possible to generalize for the entire world. As Edmund Burke wisely acknowledged, culture and tradition is a major force in determining the organization of society. The West is coming from a heritage of Enlightenment values, which is why liberalism is so popular. East Asia, on the other hand, is coming from a Confucian heritage, which is strongly and firmly rooted in society. Thus, where it has developed there, democracy has taken on a decidedly authoritarian bent. This system of values has stood for millennia, and will not change so easily today. In Latin America, religion is emphasized, and it is likely that it will always be a part of society there. Other parts of the world have other distinct traditions and heritages.</p>

<p>These unique attributes should be cherished, since each one provides the world with different insights and different specialties. It is this very human uniqueness and diversity that lends flexibility, strength, and completeness to the human condition. In any case, they are very intractable, and unlikely to be superseded for a very long time.</p>

<p>In any case, human nature changes not. Which leads to the tragic but inescapable conclusion that conservatism will always have a role to play in society.</p>

<p>I agree...it will have a role, but "in the end", meaning at the end of almost every fight, liberalism will prevail. Human nature does change actually. Yes, we may repeat the same mistakes from one generation to another, but the brutality of slavery is almost entirely wiped off the planet, except Yemen, and some African nations. Slavery was a deep rooted practice that ended, and it changed the world. Women never had a voice until 1800+, now they can vote and be the President in almost every first and second world country. Humans change. Cultures change. I think the major issue for the next election will be the economy. No more Iraq this time. Personal accounts, social security, medicare, all these things, and taxes, and inflation will be the main issues. We are going to shift from foreign to domestic policy, which inevitable leads to a democratic victory. Its not a coincidence that those elections focused on foreign policy lead to a Republican win, most of the time, and those geared towards domestic policy such as 1976 and 1992 lead to Democratic victories. </p>

<p>I do agree that acceptance of all peoples and sexualities is long overdue, but when you look in retrospective, the first rebellious women were far before 1920. Gay marriage and the entire issue of homosexuality is very very new. Things are going quite quickly, I agree, and legalizing marriage in Massachusetts is very scary for many people in America, but NOT Europe where it is legal in almost every country. </p>

<p>The electorate is generally apolitical. If we were going into a conservative era, as Bob Novak said on election night, and that the Democrats are doomed forever, then we wouldnt have Bush voters questioning Bush's intent on the economy and the abortion issue/stem cell issue/gay rights issue which he hasnt even touched upon. Ironically! He actually just 2 days ago announced possible expansion of stem cell research due to public demand and pressure!!! Isnt that loyal to his voters.....The Republicans, well, people are frustrated with them. They made many promises, they made themselves seem like muscle men and Dems as 'girlie-men' in terms of the War and Terrorism, but with all these files pouring out stating we missed so much when we could've gotten them, really hurts Republican rhetoric. The Democrats are using very smart tactics such as Dean is like going into every single state, even Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming and Idaho (states where a Democratic presidential victory is unheard of since the 1930s). The Dems are also trying to not attack a much on the war at all as they used to. They are trying to act as defenders of Medicare and SS, which i think is working very well. Those reforms Bush and Repubs are trying to implement are highly unpopular among the public, and I assure you, the Democratic victory is coming in 2006, and definitely 2008. It just matters who is running. Guiliani, Pataki and Jeb wont win. McCain has a chance, but hes as conservative as Bush is a liberal. Frist doesnt have a chance with voters in the midwest, northeast, west and even the southwest. Now....oh Hillary, how we've missed you my dear Senator. My state's senator, Hillary Clinton, is obviously planning a very smart run for office. I think she can win. Honestly, i do. I dont care that she is a woman. And she isnt as liberal, or at least, she is portraying herself to be moderate now. She is also trying to be bipartisan. We'll see, but the Dems have really nobody else. Richardson? No. KERRY?? He will definitely run again, with the network he has, heck, its a given. But No. Edwards...well, he is thinking of running, but he wont get it again. </p>

<p>Oh Hillary...it all depends on you...Another 8 years of a Clinton in office would just be such a pleasure. And thats not sarcasm. I bow down to Clinton. Hes a political and social genius. Great Man and Great Mind. </p>

<p>CC has been overtaken by the political junkies!! LoL. :)</p>

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<p>Why do you think that is so?</p>

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<p>Slavery was an economic practice that took advantage of the even ratio of performance to productivity; that is to say, slave labor was effective for doing manual and simple work, such as farming. It gradually died out because that kind of work was becoming de-emphasized. The world was moving away from an agriculturally dominated economy to an industrial economy. In the new industrial economy, slave labor was inefficient. Slaves had not the skills, motivation, or productivity to be cost-effective in the emerging fields. A similar pattern can be observed today in the services industry. Companies are learning that, by keeping employees well-paid, well-trained, and happy, they can reap huge gains in productivity and cost-effectiveness. This, along with a few other changes (particularly outsourcing and competitive pressures from globalization, as well as what Thomas Friedman has eloquently termed "flattening"), is gradually leading to another paradigm shift in the structure of the labor force.</p>

<p>Thus, it was not a change in human nature that was the downfall of slavery, but a change in the nature of the economy. Incidentally, slavery-like conditions are most prevalent in countries that are economically backward, and least prominent in those that have more developed economies.</p>

<p>As for the change of the role of women in society, you have a point. But I'd like to proffer an alternative explanation. It's been suggested by anthropologists (pretty persuasively, from what I've seen) that society was originally matriarchal. For some reason or another, this system was replaced by a patriarchal system that had an institutional bias against females (both because they used to rule and also because women are better child-rearers). Thus it is only natural that the system would eventually return to a state of equilibrium and balance.</p>

<p>Or, looked at from another perspective, this can demonstrate just how powerful tradition is. Women, representing about 50% of the population, are a truly massive resource for society to tap into. For millennia, this resource has gone unexploited, and human society has lost immeasurably because of it. It is so economically and intellectually advantageous to welcome women as coequal partners that it's almost shocking it didn't happen earlier. If heritage and culture could prevent such a massive resource as women from being tapped, imagine what power it has over relatively less important issues.</p>

<p>Again, I'm not saying cultures don't change. But I think if you examine their histories very closely, a fundamental cultural paradigm remains throughout. Japan, for instance, is seemingly very modern and Western on the surface. Yet look a little deeper and the fundamental power of authoritarian Confucianism and traditional Asian values becomes clearly apparent.</p>

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<p>Voters focus on the economy when its performing very badly. When the economy is copacetic (or, in this case, merely decent), voters tend not to pay as much attention to it. In any case, I think the intensity of the cultural reactionism that has been unleashed is stronger than during most of the country's history. People feel that their fundamental beliefs are being threatened, and that's a captivating call to action. Note the historic turnout during the 2004 election.</p>

<p>In any case, Bush is going to either lose outright on his social security proposals or (more likely) have them scaled back to the point of insignificance. Due to the forces of dealignment, he simply cannot marshall support in the senate, where the legislators feel at risk from local anger.</p>

<p>As for your point about which issues favor each party, I think it's a generalization that's becoming less relevant. The trend of dealignment is, again, a very potent force on this front. More people are voting split-ticket, and the parties are losing their traditional cohesion on the issues. It's certainly possible that, as a domestic-issues election, the Democrats will be favored in 2008. I don't, however, think that it's a provable generalization to make.</p>

<p>I tend to agree with your assessment of the GOP candidates, although I think Frist has a slightly better chance than you pinned him at. I totally disagree with your assessment of Hillary and Richardson. Hillary is very smart and very popular with democrats, true. But she is no Bill Clinton. She is a true liberal, and I don't think she can successfully sell herself as a third way moderate candidate. She's also not nearly as charismatic as Bill, which was one of his most endearing traits. But what really hurts her is that she inspires extreme hatred from the right--she is an incredibly polarizing candidate. Whereas Frist on his own would only attract a mediocre showing, having Hillary running against him would increase Republican turnout exponentially. It would be tough for Hillary to overcome this.</p>

<p>Richardson, on the other hand, is popular across the board. He's Hispanic, a proven moderate, intelligent, and non-polarizing; I'd personally vote for him over someone like Frist. He, not Hillary, represents a return to Bill Clinton's third way.</p>

<p>Its very interesting to watch two intelligent people discuss intellectual issues. Very very satisfying. What college are you aiming for? or is your first choice?</p>

<p>You should check out this</a> forum. It is, or at least was, the most intellectually sophisticated and satisfying forum I ever spent time at. Great moderation, very high level of maturity. Some of the people there (such as htjyang) would qualify as bona-fide political super-genuises.</p>

<p>Personally, I'm aiming for Yale. I really like the campus and atmosphere. But most importantly, it's one of (if not the) top social science schools in the country. Political science, economics, and history are my passions.</p>

<p>Health science, politics, and history are mine. Im applying Early Decision to Cornell. </p>

<p>Where in NY are u?</p>

<p>I live in Westchester (like Bill Clinton, actually).</p>

<p>lol, ye, kool. I see you're new to the site. Let me tell you, i dont know, but this site is infested with rich snobs with 1550 SAT' s who have no intelligence at all except their SAT.</p>

<p>While there might be some truth to that, I definitely think we should seek to avoid such broad and demeaning generalizations. I mean, there are plenty of people here who seem to be smart beyond their SAT score.</p>

<p>Besides, you should just ignore such people. If they really are like that, then they'll end up being the ones who pay the price.</p>

<p>Lol, true. You're like.....me and you are similar in one way, but different in another. Yet, we are both scorpios. You're just very....rational and flexible. Its good, im not sometimes. i do make exaggerations and over-generalizations. But it would be nice to keep in touch as we both dwelve into the intricate process of college admissions.</p>

<p>Haha, after reading your posts I feel politically ignorant. My political knowledge does not encompass foreign nations; I feel like a blind fool when I attempt to discuss our foreign policy (except for North Korea. I am knowledgeable North Korean relations and I am quite happy that we are finally holding decisive nuclear talks with Kim). BTW Bklyn2Cornell, do we not have a majority of conservative justices sitting on the Bench? I do not mean to argue with you, but I think the majority of our supreme court leans towards the right.</p>

<p>Rehnquist (C), Scalia (C), Thomas (C), Stevens (moderate), O'connor (C, but wishy-washy), Kennedy (C), Souter (moderate), Ginsburg (moderate), Breyer(moderate)</p>

<p>The five block of conservatives were infamous for several cases, such as their judgement on the 2000 election. They consistently held an upper hand with the 5 versus 4 majority. I also have read that O'connor plans on retiring soon, so we may have an ultra-conservative similar to scalia that fills the bench instead of a neutral member. This would create a 6 v 3 political block. I agree with you that gay marriage will never be legalized in our current state, but I think abortion may become illegal on a federal level if it is tried in a supreme court case.</p>

<p>on a lighter note, its cool that you're looking at cornell (I'm making that assumption based on your sn). I hope to visit cornell later this year and I might apply EA. I love discussing what little politics I understand.</p>

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<p>With Mr. Bush's position in Congress weakening, I'd be surprised if he tried to replace O'Connor with a very conservative jurist. More likely he'll appoint someone in a similar vein.</p>

<p>And no one is suggesting anything close to banning abortion on the federal level.</p>

<p>Ok, several things. First, I dont consider Ginsburg, Breyer or Souter moderate at all. The court has several strictly conservative (Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist), several moderate (O'Connor, Kennedy), and several strictly liberal (Ginsburg, Breyer, Stevens and Souter). Basically, we have a slightly liberal court, even with the 5-4 court. Its not like abortion has been overturned, and nor was Terri Schiavo decided by the neoconservatives. :) I highly doubt abortion will become federally illegal. Thats just hard to fathom. Thats an infringement on personal human rights. </p>

<p>On a lighter note, lol, im not only LOOKING at Cornell, im applying there Early Decision, cus thats where i want to go, no question about it. I am going to visit most likely twice, in September and October.</p>