<p>Two crimes, far off campus, over a period of several months is a crime spike? Last time I checked UPenn had a dozen crimes like this every month. </p>
<p>And according to Harvard, Yale is safer than other urban schools, particularly Harvard! <a href="http://www.stalcommpol.org/data.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.stalcommpol.org/data.html</a> There have been a number of attacks and muggings at Harvard over the same period.</p>
<p>Byerly posted that in response to your incessant trollery. please stop PosterX, your posts are inaccurate and bring down yale.</p>
<p>I am always impressed with how well the city and the university police work together to make the neighborhoods around the school safer. Since most kids live on campus, they aren't used to having to be quite so alert, but I'm surprised at how many - around 15% I think - choose to live off campus in spite of having to give more thought to possible crime.</p>
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"I feel extremely safe walking around here," Matthew Barry '07, who lives on Edgewood Street, said. "I feel the two crimes are an anomaly."</p>
<p>David Chernicoff '07, who lives on Edgewood Avenue, said he thinks safety has increased in the last year, after the YPD increased patrols in response to last semester's spike in crime.
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<p>You're right, Bulldog... that was in response to his posting of a link to a semi-humorous Crimson story about mice in some building at Harvard.</p>
<p>Let's be fair A.S.A.P. Not everyone feels as safe as you say. Let's just put both sides of students's concerns on the table so that new applicants can make up their minds for themselves. </p>
<p>from Yale Daily News (04/11/2006):</p>
<p>A number of rising juniors in Davenport College have voiced concerns regarding their annexed housing next year on Park Street, saying they would feel safer if they lived in on-campus housing.</p>
<p>Jennifer Laaser '08, who did not volunteer for annex housing, said she is not worried about living in the apartment complex itself, but is concerned about the lack of nighttime lighting and activity on Park Street. She said she and others have met with Harwood to discuss their worries, but she does not think a solution will be reached in time to change housing arrangements for next year. "To me, as a 19-year-old female often walking alone, it does not feel safe at all,"</p>
<p>I can understand why kids feel safer in on-campus housing. That's why I said I was so surprised that so many choose to live off campus.
I don't think the Harwood apartments have the same problems you find around the Dwight neighborhood, or even on Edgewood, which, until this year, has been very safe. (Three of my daughter's previous roomates live in a house there- they love it. Prefer it to on campus. Why, I don't understand, but suffice to say they prefer it and have the option of moving back this year as seniors into the brand new Davenport, but they choose to stay in their house. They feel safe.</p>
<p>I hope you didn't base your college choice on a fear for your safety.
Chances are very good that you would have had on-campus housing all four years. I believe only Davenport, and only this year, is utilizing an off-campus facility for any of it's annexed juniors, and many of the colleges don't have to annex anyone. Your chance of being "on" all four years are very good. (My D was annexed last year on old campus- she would have preferred to be in her college, but had an overall good experiences, as old campus's location is really good for a lot of reasons.</p>
<pre><code>I really like the fact that my now 21 year old daughter has lived in a city, has learned how to handle herself, has stayed safe, has developed some street sense, and feels comfortable travelling alone abroad. And I feel comfortable letting her. Growing up in a safe suburb, and then going to an upscale suburban neighborhood for college has its charms, but you won't grow in the same way that you would if you experienced a bit of life in a less protected environment.
Personally, I worry more when she gets behind a wheel of a car than I ever do about her roaming around New Haven.
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<p>I'm sure some students do have concerns. They should be aware. It's a city. Most students love the school, and many even come to love the city.
At least that's what they tell me. My D calls it "New Heaven."
I'm not kidding.</p>
<p>Statistically, unless you are a drug dealer/prostitute/etc., your chances of dying or being injured in a car accident are 200 times greater than being involved in any kind of urban violence. Even if you live in a run-down housing project in the bad part of New York City, you are safer than you are living in the typical suburban, car-oriented American community. Because students tend to drive less (and drive slower) in cities, urban campuses are actually safer than most suburban or rural campuses. </p>
<p>Of course, the media highlights random violence more than car crashes because it catches people's attention (and plays more on their stereotypes) to a greater degree, and because its victims typically aren't as anonymous. Most victims of urban violence are either involved in some kind of illegal drug activity or prostitution, or are hurt by their girlfriend/husband/wife/friend, etc.</p>
<p>CRIME - ranked 1 a 1-10 scale, with 10 being the highest crime rate:</p>
<p>Cambridge, Massachusetts: Violent crime, 5; property crime, 6</p>
<p>New Haven, Connecticut : Violent crime, 8; Property crime, 8</p>
<p>Cite a source when you're going to pull out numbers.</p>
<p>Click on "data sources" in each case:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bestplaces.net/city/%5B/url%5D">http://www.bestplaces.net/city/</a></p>
<p>As explained on several other threads, those figures are inaccurate. In fact, Boston had a significantly higher murder rate than New Haven this past year.</p>
<p>Huh? So the Census Bureau data doesn't count, TROLLSTER?</p>
<p>In 2003 New Haven had 9,010 crimes reported. Since then reported crime totals rose to 9,652 in 2004, and 9,726 in 2005.</p>
<p>(According to the Mayor's office)</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in 2005, reported crimes in Cambridge dropped to a 40-year low - less than half the reported crime in New Haven, even though New Haven is not that much larger anymore, as its population continues to wane.</p>
<p>"Statistically, unless you are a drug dealer/prostitute/etc., your chances of dying or being injured in a car accident are 200 times greater than being involved in any kind of urban violence."</p>
<p>unfortunately, yale seems to have both the car accidents AND the urban violence. the latest tragic news out of new haven:</p>
<p>I enjoyed all the data that you spewed out, Byerly, and I would have loved it if you were able to interpret the data properly. But unfortunately, you took all of it at face value.</p>
<p>Yale takes up 1.1 km^2 of land in New Haven, which has an area of 52.4 km^2.</p>
<p>Harvard takes up 1.54 km^2 of land in Cambridge, which has an area of 18.5 km^2.</p>
<p>As we see here, Yale is a much smaller fraction of New Haven (compared with Harvard and Cambridge), so while crime may be rampant in the city itself, it does not necessarily mean that crime is as high in Yale and its immediate surrounding area. If you go gallivanting off into the impoverished and high-crime areas of New Haven, I would not be surprised if you were robbed or murdered. But this is the same for all cities.</p>
<p>Land data from en.wikipedia.org</p>
<p>A very odd analysis indeed, where crime is divorced from people (who tend to be the perps) and associated with square metres!</p>
<p>New Haven is actually one of the safest urban areas in the United States. The statistics you cited earlier are completely inaccurate because they only take into consideration a very small area, which is not comparable to any other area. New Haven being one of the safest cities has a lot to do with it being one of the two richest cities in the country, as shown below.</p>
<p>Boston had a significantly higher murder rate (murders per capita) than New Haven last year. But again, that's probably a function of it ranking #16 in wealth. As you can see from the following list at <a href="http://www.cnt.org/tsp/uic-critique.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.cnt.org/tsp/uic-critique.html</a>, these cities are all similar in density, so there's no point trying to say that one is more "suburban" than the other, as Byerly sometimes likes to claim:</p>
<p>Wealth and density comparison of ten U.S. cities </p>
<p>Per Capita Personal Income, Income Rank, Density, Density Rank
Source: Census Bureau </p>
<p>The top two wealthiest cities in the country:</p>
<p>San Francisco, CA $39,746 1 1,578.9 7 </p>
<p>New Haven, CT $38,962 2 1,318.4 13 </p>
<h1>11 New York:</h1>
<p>New York, NY $33,177 11 7,467.8 2 </p>
<h1>16 Boston:</h1>
<p>Boston, MA $30,366 16 1,558.3 8 </p>
<p>A few others:</p>
<p>Chicago, IL $29,948 18 1,452.4 9 </p>
<p>Detroit, MI $27,250 36 1,088.0 18 </p>
<p>Atlanta, GA $27,241 37 481.3 51 </p>
<p>Los Angeles, CA $24,945 75 2,177.6 5 </p>
<p>Las Vegas, NV $24,706 81 24.2 314 </p>
<p>Tucson, AZ $20,535 216 72.6 284 </p>
<p>And yes, just looking at the campuses, Harvard is indeed more dangerous than Yale or other urban schools, according to a Harvard website:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stalcommpol.org/data.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.stalcommpol.org/data.html</a></p>
<p>if by second richest city in the country, you mean 234th richest city in connecticut (out of 244), then yes, yes it is.</p>
<p>That is a list of census designated "places", not cities. There is an enormous difference. </p>
<p>Calling a "place" a city is just like taking a few blocks of the Upper East Side, or the Red Hook neighborhood in Brooklyn, and calling it a city. You simply can't do that.</p>
<p>A city is an integrated urban economic area with a center. By that measurement - the measurement that the U.S. Census uses in almost any comparison of cities - New Haven and San Francisco are the two wealthiest cities in the country, as I posted above.</p>