<p>it’s weird that k’naan is getting chewed out by someone with a name, i’m assuming, pulled from a miles davis album</p>
<p>Lol @ all the little kiddies who think they understand social darwinism. Reality check: all you Asian and Indian kids wouldn’t be on this forum if social darwinism was still around. You’d still be in a backwards country run by the British or some other European nation. Luckily for you, and for everyone in the long run, we don’t do that anymore.</p>
<p>You also don’t understand that lower income people don’t have access to study programs and what not. Sure, your 2300 SAT is impressive. But how many hours did you spend studying? Exactly my point.</p>
<p>^^ This.</p>
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<p>You did not read my post at all. Read it. Read it. Read it. Reductio ad Hitlerum. Reductio ad Hitlerum. Reductio ad Hitlerum. You have the logic (and attention span) of a 5th grader attempting to justify stealing a candy bar. </p>
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<p>Do threads that have something to do with Asians just magnetically attract you? All you do is bash Asians. Jealous much?</p>
<p>In case you haven’t noticed, or can’t count, I have a lot of posts in a lot of different topics. </p>
<p>Maybe you could address the point instead of just playing word games. Then again, that would expose you as being wrong. Tough spot, kid, I don’t know what to tell you.</p>
<p>“You also don’t understand that lower income people don’t have access to study programs and what not. Sure, your 2300 SAT is impressive. But how many hours did you spend studying? Exactly my point.”- pandem</p>
<p>The problem with this is that most people who get a 2300 on the SAT don’t study at all or study on their own (like myself). Study after study has shown that test prep courses do not significantly raise test scores.</p>
<p>And what’s wrong with liking Miles Davis and being against AA?</p>
<p>Oh I don’t know… maybe the fact that black musicians in that era based a lot of their work on their racial struggle? </p>
<p>And you still had the resources to study on your own. Big difference. A lot of poor people can’t afford (money or time) to prepare.</p>
<p>Perhaps you’re right. But a test prep book is only $9. One only has to study an hour a day for a few months in order to improve one’s score, provided the studier works diligently.</p>
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<p>lol, you think you can just make up phrases and you’re all good?</p>
<p>social darwinism is not a debate, it’s simply wrong and reduces non-white races to animals.</p>
<p>I cannot see how social Darwinism can’t be anything but allowing an elite class receive all the privilages and resources, and letting the rest fend for themselves. No matter the race, it’s wrong.</p>
<p>$9 to an upper-class family would be chump change, to a middle-class family reasonable, to a lower-class family the difference between having a study book or tonight’s dinner.</p>
<p>uh-birthofthecool…do tell the test prep book’s name that is 9 dollars. Most of the ones I see at the bookstore are 15-20 dollars.</p>
<p>JAJdude: Amazon?</p>
<p>THE POINT is that AA based on socio-economic status would mostly still benefit the same people. it would just prevent higher-income URMs from getting a break and lower-income whites and asians get a break.</p>
<p>no really: the person has a computer/ and a credit card to access amazon (in the ghetto).
This must be some lower income kid you’re talking about. I wish I was more like him…
THINKING: do you mind doing it once in a while?</p>
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Sorry, I thought I had addressed that in my post, but rereading it I definitely didn’t. I was about to go to the dentist, so I left some stuff out. </p>
<p>While it’s definitely true that URMs are poorer than whites and Asians, the number of them who are rich is significant. While the correlation between race and income would seem to suggest that most URMs benefiting from AA are low income and suffer from racism, but [Harvard[/url</a>], [url=<a href=“http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/22/MNGIJBF3LP1.DTL]Brown”>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/02/22/MNGIJBF3LP1.DTL]Brown</a>, Yale, Princeton, Penn, Columbia, Duke, and Berkeley](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/24/education/24AFFI.final.html?ei=5007&en=92df04e0957d73d3&ex=1403409600&partner=USERLAND&pagewanted=all&position=]Harvard[/url”>http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/24/education/24AFFI.final.html?ei=5007&en=92df04e0957d73d3&ex=1403409600&partner=USERLAND&pagewanted=all&position=) have estimated that about 2/3rds of their black population is not of traditional African-American ancestry, but rather are recent immigrants or 2nd generation. African immigrants and their children have higher incomes. Many live in ethnic enclaves, which are dissimilar to the ghettos in which many African Americans live, and likely exempt them from some socialized/internalized racism. So, focusing on the majority of URMs is not only hurting so called ORMs and whites, it’s also not helping low income blacks and blacks of traditional ancestry in many cases. If income were the focus rather than race, this wouldn’t happen.
I saw a study once which mentioned the average income of blacks attending highly selective institutions, and it was higher, showing again that the supposed targets of AA are not the benefactors, but I cannot find that study to cite it, so feel free to ignore this bit.
ETA: I found a bit about the income of native-born black students at colleges, highly selective and otherwise. From [The</a> Journal of Blacks in Higher Education](<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/56_race_sensitive_not_helping.html]The”>University Race-Sensitive Admissions Programs Are Not Helping Black Students Who Most Need Assistance):</p>
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<p>So focusing on the majority instead of the minority really isn’t working out. It’s not helping those who need to be helped. Blacks at highly selective institutions are mostly people who didn’t need a big boost from AA</p>
<p>This study by Berkeley, suggests that URMs would have lower representation if income were the deciding factor in AA, so maybe that’s part of the reason it’s not around.</p>
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You can rent a test prep book from the library. That’s free.</p>
<p>Wow, I didn’t know that most Ivy Leagues URMs are from upper-class. Thanks Millanclad. In a way, it should have been obvious. Even with AA, you have to put some work in it to be accepted.</p>
<p>u realize most asians come from… asia!!! Many have to start their lives over again in a different country at later ages. When we first came to america we were really poor but worked our way up. I dont understand how we inherently have this advantage that AA’s dont have. Most AA"s were born in this country, their parents were born here and their parents. They have not had to start their life in a foreign country at the age of 30 something. Dunno just sayin…</p>
<p>Maybe you didn’t learn about slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, white flight, and basic racial discrimination in your History class toasteroven.</p>
<p>yeah but to help AA’s why do they have to instead take spots away from a group that makes up a very small percentage of america? Specially one group where most of the people are very new to this country and have to start over.</p>
<p>and plus AA"s dont always just include african americas… and often many are not even full, but instead have a mix of Caucasian ancestary…</p>
<p>I don’t think that someone should win a spot because of their race. Again, AA should be based on your economic status. I wanted you to know the reasons why AA was created because you seemed to be confused.</p>
<p>And any statistics of the last comment? Are the majority of Blacks have with Caucasian ancenstry?</p>