<p>I actually had mentioned lack of good sports teams in an earlier version of my post, which I had problems getting posted. I think they'd still be able to fill their slots many times over with higher tuition. And with higher OOS tuition, maybe they'd be able to have a better ratio of in-state residents, especially for EA.</p>
<p>I read somewhere that the 2008 freshman class was 87 percent from NY. That's with lower OOS tuition than just about any state flagship and all kinds of recruiting efforts (the OOS kids get the acceptance phone calls)</p>
<p>I don't think that New York is much different than Pennsylvania. Penn State, Temple, and University of Pittsburgh are not state owned schools. They are "public" schools but each have an independent charter and are not run by the state. This is why their tuition is more expensive than the PA state owned universities.</p>
<p>PA has a huge State University system that includes West Chester, Indiana University of Pennsylvania, Kutztown University, etc., etc. These are very reasonable for both in state and out of state.</p>
<p>Tuition</a> and Fees - Bursar Office - West Chester University</p>
<p>So that makes in-state Penn State and Pitt comparable in cost to out-of-state Binghamton costs similar for Pennsylvania students. Many PA residents will choose Penn State or Pitt not only because of the sports but also the medical school, research opportunities and facilities. There would have to be a specific draw to choose Binghamton assuming that you are accepted to main campus Pitt or Penn State. (The branch campuses have easier admission requirements.) </p>
<p>I know that Pitt does give Out-of-State full tuition scholarships and, from reading the website, it doesn't look like Binghamton does give much tuition money to out-of-state incoming freshmen which is understandable because the cost is reasonable.</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that many of the out of state applicants with great statistics are getting offers from private schools with significant academic scholarship money. At any rate...for my daughter....Binghamton is high on the list but most certainly not because it is the cheapest. It is high on her list because of it's academic reputation.</p>
<p>...and yes she did get an acceptance call very early - I think before Christmas.</p>
<p>Good luck to all of you!</p>
<p>I don't know what to think about deferrals. my guidance counselor told me that a deferral will mean a denial. So I should look at deferral stats as a denial. I was accepted to Stonybrook but am worried about Binghamton. I have an 89 average but am taking 3 AP classes. I got a 1440/2110 SAT so I am hoping they are heavily weighed on SATs</p>
<p>Deferrals are not denials. If they wanted to deny you, they would have done it already. However, I would say that there is only about a 30% acceptance rate of deferrals. I think you are good with those stats.</p>
<p>all bets off this year.....I have a bad feeling yield is going to skyrocket and you'll be lucky to be tripled.....curious if UBuffalo will get the most of those not admitted....or one of the smaller alternatives.....and yes, there were rejections in EA.....</p>
<p>I agree rodney. My friend's mom works in an admissions office for a junior college in the SUNY system and said that almost every state school is in a state of panic because they are unsure of how to calculate their yield/acceptance formula this year due to the economy. Apparently schools have formulas of how many people to accept, which will allow their freshman class to be filled.</p>
<p>Btw, I think you will see some really bright students that were rejected from Bing going to a wide variety SUNYs which will result in increased competition for their respective school. I know historically that UAlbany always picks up a lot of the non-admitted students from Binghamton.</p>
<p>I think a lot of people will end up at their safety schools, and that will obviously break the yield formulas because the schools never expected them to attend.</p>
<p>I wonder if they will be cautious and start adding people in May if things don't turn out as expected? Could be lots of lost deposits.</p>
<p>Sure alot of people are applying and they think they can be that selective.
At the end of the day, it's still a suny ...not enough good teachers, too many students, no resources, smart but underachieving students, horrible administration, ect.</p>
<p>My d was also deffered with good stats. It may sound like sour grapes, but I was not going to let her go there anyway. I just wanted to see if she would make it.</p>
<p>No one with 2200+ would go there anyway. I hope all the 2000's turn down your acceptance in March!</p>
<p>Binghamton, you're shooting yourself in the foot...good luck!</p>
<p>I don't agree with your post except partly for the "smart but underachieving students". Bing and Geneseo generally (not all students) pull very smart students but ones that have failed to apply themselves. Often times these kids have great test scores and GPAs but lack extracurricular activities, community service, what have you. This is why they end up at one these institutions because let's face it, SUNYs don't place much weight on ECs.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: This is just a generalization. There are quite a few kids that don't fit my above statement.</p>
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<p>robb123, I hope your daughter is smarter than you. because you sound clueless. I hope they do not admit your daughter and waste a spot that would be better given to someone who actually wants to go there. I'm sure that many of the top students who have gone to Binghamton over the years would love to point out how wrong you are.</p>
<p>robb123 -- i found your post incredibly offensive -- yes it does smell of sour grapes. </p>
<p>binghamton's standard's are too high for the quality if offers? sorry, but admissions is responding to the reality of the demand for the education they offer. for many years, i know good students would treat binghamton as a "safety" -- sorry, the simple fact is that those days are long over as evidenced by binghamton's increasing selectivity AND yield.</p>
<p>you come across as someone who throws out easy accusations about what a suny must be like without having a clue as to what students there are actually enjoying. i've always known people who've looked down their noses at suny's -- how could anything so affordable by of value? -- but such people usually are just reflecting a knee jerk reaction that ignores the amazing value the suny's offer - both financially AND educationally.</p>
<p>fact is there are plenty of really top students at binghamton -- i know plenty who turned down prestigious private colleges to go there -- many for monetary reasons -- but you know what -- most of them seem very happy there and aren't the least bit upset that they'll head to grad/law/med school without a ton of debt -- oh and by the way -- they also feel they're getting a great education. but you seem to think you know better.</p>
<p>i also know many alumni who feel that their years at binghamton set them on a pretty successful path -- and they were also glad not to be weighed down with debt while following that path.</p>
<p>i've looked at your prior posts -- your d didn't break 500 on SAT V and you are in a snit that Binghamton deferred her?!?! you and she should be glad she is still being considered! i don't want to get into a discussion as to what SAT scores really mean or measure -- i do have my own issues with them -- but you can't ignore the role they play in admissions.</p>
<p>i will say that the one thing binghamton does not need is students who think they are too good for binghamton. there are some of those here who resent having to attend a suny when they dreamt about privates -- my guess is most of them were fed attitudes similar to yours before they got here. but for students who are able to get past their initial attitude, many end up being quite happy here.</p>
<p>good luck to you and your d in her finding a school you deem worthy of her.</p>
<p>robb123, I see from your other posts that Maryland did not consider your daughter worthy of fall admission, either (although iit seems like you are trying to convince them otherwise, how's that going?). At least my son has been admitted there, in the mid-level honors program.</p>
<p>iamhere, my intent is not to insult, but to open the eyes of those considering other schools.</p>
<p>NYS needs to provide a good school that students want to attend for something other than the price. Sorry, Binghamton does not fit that need. Smart kids go to Binghamton because they have no better alternative. Unfortunately for most, $$ make our decisions for us. Application and yield statistics are far from the whole story as it relates to Binghamton's success.</p>
<p>This is a another failure of the state, not of the students!</p>
<p>My d applied to see if she could make it - while she is disappointed, she truly wasn't going to attend. She had a horrible verbal score but I don't feel glad that Binghamton is even considering her. They have deferred students in the 1400's IS(and we all know that the state schools heavily weigh the SAT's) - Binghamton is looking for OOS (with lower stats) over IS- A TRUE FAILURE OF NYS not taking care of its residents!</p>
<p>Why do you think Binghamton doesn't attract many OOS students with Binghamton's supposed 'quality', when Binghamton's OOS tuition actually costs less than its competing schools' IS tuitions? These OOS students rather stay in their own state and spend more because their schools are better in many ways - not only academically.</p>
<p>One very positive note about Binghamton is that mostly all that attend are naturally smart. If you hang with smart, you become smart. But the school does nothing to enhance this for its students and its own reputation. Binghamton rests on its application and yield stats and hopes the economy continues to falter as this helps their cause as their strategy becomes more and more successful.</p>
<p>Good luck to you and Binghamton.</p>
<p>robb123, you are treating early action deferrals as if they were the final answer (although with your daughter's SAT the odds are she will not end up being admitted). Yes, they did not admit many in-state EA this year and many of us are upset but we are not foolish enough to start ranting about how awful a school Binghamton is. I hope they do not lower their standards to admit your daughter.</p>
<p>Oh, and they did not need the economy to tank to be popular.</p>
<p>I have applied to Binghamton and wonder whether they do give more weight to the SATs. I have pretty decent SAT scores 1440/2110 but my GPA sucks (86 cumulative GPA unweighted) because I slacked off in the first two years of high school but I also have great ECs and my counselor says I have top drawer recommendations. I have heard that the state schools tend to weigh heavily on the SAT scores and that factored into my decision to apply to Binghamton. I also checked their course offerings and I was pretty impressed. While Binghamton is not my first choice, only because some other colleges have a more intensive writing program, I will not be the least bit disappointed if I am only accepted to Binghamton. </p>
<p>The only concern I do have regarding state schools (I was accepted to Stonybrook) is the overcrowding at the dorms -- I know it sounds like a trivial concern -- and whether funding will be cut because of New Yorks budget crisis.</p>
<p>Anyway, I will be happy to go buy snow boots if I get accepted.</p>
<p>robb123- you continue to merely repeat your own suppositions regarding the quality at binghamton. my opinion is based on my own personal knowledge and that of many current and former students. </p>
<p>binghamton has been becoming increasingly popular and increasingly difficult to get into well before the current economic situation -- the trend is clear over many years.</p>
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<p>my personal knowledge is quite contrary to this. i know plenty of binghamton students who had alternatives -- parents willing to pay more for privates or privates where they were offered hefty merit money - and they're more than happy they chose binghamton -- beyond the money issue -- though saving money while getting a quality education is nothing to sneeze at. i know some students who had deferred ivy acceptances in hand when they started at binghamton who were so happy at binghamton they ended up staying.</p>
<p>why doesn't binghamton attract more oss? well first of all, i think that is starting to change since it was rated the #1 oss value by kipplingers and economic times are making more oss look into the suny's. but let's also be honest -- the location doesn't help draw out of staters -- it's no where near NYC which most oss probably think of when they think NYS. it's weather can be challenging -- i know an oss student who was bundled up in down in late october. none of that has anything to do with the quality of the education offered at binghamton. </p>
<p>you cite the fact that people choose to pay more to stay in their own state schools rather than pay less to journey to binghamton as evidence of the quality of binghamton? do you really think that argument makes sense? you're judging binghamton based on students' preference to stay closer to their own home!?</p>
<p>binghamton and the suny's certainly face challenges ahead with ny's budget issues -- just as most other public and private colleges are facing economic issues of at least some degree these days. i hope binghamton is able to maintain its quality of education in the face of those challenges -- but i have no doubt that it is starting from a point of quality.</p>
<p>Sean256: As the parent of a Geneseo graduate, I am incredibly offended by your comments. I think it is rather presumptuous of you to "generalize" about the type of students who attend Geneseo and Binghamton, when you have yet to be accepted to either college and have had no opportuntiy to experiece life at these schools.</p>
<p>My "smart but underachieving" daughter (your words, not mine) graduated in the top 3% of her HS class of 400, was a class officer, peer tutor, hospital volunteer and donated her time to a grade school mentoring program. She also had a part-time job. She chose to attend Geneseo because of its stellar academic reputation and excellent program in her field of interest. It was also a school her middle-class parents could afford and she knew if she went there she would graduate with no loans. Good thing too, because a master's degree is required to practice in her field.</p>
<p>At Geneseo she was very involved in campus life. She was an RA for 2 years and was involved in several pre-professional organizations, student government and several clubs. She was an officer in two of the clubs; one organization had a national affiliation and she was elected to its regional board. She also managed to study abroad one summer while there. She took her Geneseo education and experiences to a well-known Boston school, and graduated last year as one of the top students in her program. ( A feat she attributes partly to the fine education she received at Geneseo) And the icing on the cake?? She owes less money for 6 years of college than she would for a single years tuition at a private college!</p>
<p>As for her "smart but underachieveing" friends from Geneseo..... they are lawyers, teachers, medical and dental school students and business professionals. Wow, imagine what they could have done if they weren't such underachievers!</p>
<p>I'm sure there are many Binghamton parents who have similar stories/kids like mine. I suspect they might be offended by your comments as well.</p>
<p>Peachy-I offer my most sincere apologies. Perhaps your daughter and her friends fit in to my disclaimer if would have just taken the time to read it. I even said that there are a select bunch of students that are very bright individuals. But please consider this:</p>
<p>I have done numerous over night stays at both schools because I am very close friends with someone at Bing and I have family that attend Geneseo. Please don't not tell me that "I have had no opportunity to experience life at these schools" while in fact, I have but on a limited basis. At my stay at both schools, I noticed the high amount of drug usage. More so than any other private schools. I would say that 85% of students smoke Marijuana and 97% drink alcohol on more than one occasion per week. While I do not condone this behavior, I also have no problem with it. This is simply because most of these students do little with their free time instead of doing something a little bit more worthwhile. I suspect that you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes of these places of higher education.</p>
<p>The family member at Geneseo can certainly attest to this. And I am quite certain he shares things with me about life at Geneseo more so than your daughter does with you. I know I would never tell me parents that the majority of the student body does little extra curricular activities and instead parties.</p>
<p>My friend at Binghamton complains that his room is under constant surveillance because his room-mate is a suspected drug dealer (he is, but has not yet been proved by authorities). Also, my friend openly tells me that he and his friends often do only one or two easy, extra curricular activities to pad their resume.</p>
<p>For the record, I primarily meant they were underachievers in high school. Perhaps some change in college. Also, why do you care what I think?? I know that in college, I am responsible for myself and no one else. If your daughter and her friends are SO successful, than why do you care what other people think? Surely, their merit will be noticed and will not be identified by a "generalization" of their undergraduate institution.</p>
<p>Once again, I offer my most sincere apologies in offending you.</p>