<p>sean -- binghamton has about 11,000 undergrads. geneseo has about 6000, i believe. you are obviously seeing them thru the eyes of the people you know there -- and yes if your friend is rooming with a drug dealer, i would think that would present a certain skewed image. but you are reaching to conclude that what you have seen from your friends allows you to generalize as to what 85% or 97% of the students at either school are doing.</p>
<p>anyone's college experience will be influenced by those they surround themselves with. there is drinking and drugs on just about every college campus -- there will always be those who choose to make that a key part of their college experience. and those who choose to partake are not limited to those who have nothing better to do or are academic slackers -- there is plenty of drinking and drugs even at the ivies!! have you never heard the phrase, "work hard play hard"? i don't know what private schools you visited - maybe you just didn't get to see that side of it. i was once on a campus tour of a well regarded private college where the guide took us into a dorm and we were overcome with the smell of pot as soon as walked into the door.</p>
<p>drugs and drinking is not what i view as essential to the college experience -- and i also know that my view is shared by many students, who perhaps may just be less visible to you -- but i'm not naive enough to think that students, including many academically achieving ones, aren't making that choice nor would i jump to conclusions as to what it otherwise means about them.</p>
<p>you offer your apologies for offending someone -- but that's what happens when you make generalizations -- disclaimers notwithstanding.</p>
<p>The last job in the world I woudl want is to be in charge of enrollment management at a SUNY. The old, compare with last year's yield, wont work. It is a paradigm shift. Students who would have used Binghamton as a safety will be going there in record numbers, even if they get accepted at other places, as it will be a "financial safety." Some parents will be unwilling or unable to pay EFC. What I am curious about is are the SUNYs able to track the number of SUNYs applied to? With more on the common app, $40 at a shot at a reasonably priced education is worth the price. I am not saying the schools are good, but are kids throwing in apps to 10-12 suny's? More than previous years?</p>
<p>I am simply stating my opinion and I understand that there is drinking and drugs at college. What I was trying to say is that there is a good amount of kids that go to SUNYs that work hard in the class room and party. They do not broaden themselves by volunteering, doing something interesting, creating clubs, joining NUMEROUS clubs, etc.</p>
<p>I will make no further comment on this issue. And apologize to all who saw through my disclaimer and were offended.</p>
<p>robb, your daugher has an 1190..... did you sincerely expect her to get in EA?! honestly, SUNY is a good system, don't be bitter that your daughter get in.... don't knock the entire SUNY system because your daughter didn't meet Bings standards... seriously grow up.</p>
<p>Stephen, an 1190 should get into many fine SUNY schools, but not Binghamton. Then if one does well the first two years, a transfer is always possible.</p>
<p>1190 was the low end of Binghamton's mid-50 percentile for entering fall 2008. So theoretically 25% are under 1190, but they probably have some kind of extra special thing going on like valedictorian or URM or athlete.</p>
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<p>i know that, i'm familiar with the SUNY schools.</p>
<p>My sister (who applied 14 years ago) got accepted to Binghamton with an 1160 on the old, un-recentered SAT.
She also got into Geneseo.
I think, in general, Bing and Geneseo have gotten much harder to get into!</p>
<p>Just to add my two cents...my son, freshman at JMU, NYS resident was not accepted last year at Bing...1260 SAT's, 90 overall GPA. He was accepted at JMU,Vtech, and many other fine schools. His friend, a Va. resident and JMU freshman, got into Bing as OOS with a lower SAT and GPA, and did not get in at Vtech, his state school. What I am trying to say, is it is all subjective, and OOS dollars makes a big difference in acceptances at all state schools. It doesn't make it easy for the students, or parents, to pay OOS tuition, which we are forced to do, if we want our children to attend the top public schools, if our students, well qualified, are not getting into their home state schools, due to the schools needing the OOS dollars. Maybe, if funding was better, this would change.</p>
<p>i'm not naive enough to thing that the oss tuition difference doesn't play a role, but also realize just about EVERY college looks to enhance diversity -- geographic diversity included. </p>
<p>having oss students helps a state school's reputation outside of that state. having oss students helps expose students to people from varying backgrounds which broadens their college experience.</p>
<p>while it can be annoying for any given student who feels their "spot" was taken by a "less" qualified oss, the idea is that the overall mix of the campus benefits. </p>
<p>you hear this type of complaint all the time with privates too -- some "less qualified" urm/athlete/wyoming native takes a spot that a "more qualified" student feels should have been theirs. if anything this probably happens a lot less at a school like binghamton.</p>
<p>i know people will argue that iss should be the priority of a suny -- but truth is that the iss that attend end up benefitting from the additional money from the oss, the geographic diversity they bring, and a growing national reputation for the school.</p>
<p>Iamhere -- there will be a tax payer revolt in NY. </p>
<p>Much of the socalled "diversity" is kids from NJ and Ct, who may be very nice kids, but are not much different than the kids from NY. The problem is that the minor benefit of 6 K or so in tutition does not make up for the taxpayer subsidies. </p>
<p>People are writing there state reps right now. My guess -- it will get ugly.</p>
<p>The first step is people demanding that each SUNY disclose in state v. OOS sat/gpas.</p>
<p>kayf: had a feeling this would happen, but, honestly, if you look over on the UConn, UMass, Penn State boards, the exact same thing is going on.....I don't think there is any public that discloses the in-state v OOS stats.....correct me if I'm wrong...</p>
<p>Given that Gov Patterson is supposedly single handedly taking apart NYS healthcare, it is doubtful that the SUNY issue will take much precedence on his agenda...just my opinion...</p>
<p>As an alumni, I completely understand the concern....but as an OOS resident, I think their goal is sound....assuming they increase OOS tuition to be inline with other OOS publics.....</p>
<p>The difference is that Penn State, and the others do not give away bargain rates for out of state students. Who else charges 13K for out of state students? Yes, I would agree if they were charging 20K.</p>
<p>penn state also doesn't give bargain rates for in staters either -- they pay about twice what suny instaters pay for tuition and fees.</p>
<p>the percentage of oss at suny's is far less than at many other state schools (umd, uconn, penn st, udel). </p>
<p>the taxpayers in nys have a lot of other issues to worry about. did you contact your legistator to protest the fact that the state kept 90% of the suny tuition increase rather than letting that money go back to the sunys? that will have a much greater impact on instaters and the quality of education at the sunys than the relatively small percentage of oss's that attend sunys.</p>
<p>iamhere --- the % of the increase the state keeps is irrelvant. The amount of total funding is. If there are very few OOS at SUNYs then this is easy to resolve.</p>
<p>As to what in-state pay, NY has some of the highest tax rates in the country. We need more examination.</p>
<p>the % of the increase the state keeps is far from irrelevant. i'm sorry if you can't see that. </p>
<p>suny tuition had not been raised in quite a while. a tuition increase was more than reasonable -- and a way to help the sunys face increasingly difficult economic times as the state is otherwise cutting their budget. except that increase only yielded the sunys a mere 10%. and the sad thing was many people didn't even realize it -- all they saw was what they thought was a reasonable increase after many years of no increases.</p>
<p>it might have helped the sunys a lot more if more people had bothered to contact their legislators about this very real issue before it was too late.</p>