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**Students may only stay off campus overnight with*
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<p>Because without marriange, siblings would be getting it on.</p>
<p>not as bad as pensacola christian college</p>
<p>"At Pensacola any physical contact between members of the opposite sex is forbidden... The forbidden contact includes shaking hands...</p>
<p>Of Pensacolas many rules, those dealing with male-female relationships are the most talked about. There are restrictions on when and where men and women may speak to each other. Some elevators and stairwells may be used only by women; others may be used only by men. Socializing on particular benches is forbidden. If a man and a woman are walking to class, they may chat; if they stop en route, though, they may be in trouble. Generally men and women caught interacting in any unchaperoned area which is most of the campus could be subject to severe penalties.</p>
<p>Those rules extend beyond the campus. A man and a woman cannot go to an off-campus restaurant together without a chaperon (usually a faculty member). Even running into members of the opposite sex off campus can lead to punishment. One student told of how a group of men and a group of women from the college happened to meet at a McDonalds last spring. Both groups were returning from the beach (they had gone to separate beaches; men and women are not allowed to be at the beach together). The administration found out, and all 15 students were expelled.</p>
<p>Even couples who are not talking or touching can be reprimanded. Sabrina Poirier, a student at Pensacola who withdrew in 1997, was disciplined for what is known on the campus as optical intercourse staring too intently into the eyes of a member of the opposite sex. This is also referred to as making eye babies."</p>
<p>^ Holy Fish.</p>
<p>I'm intrigued by these people. I'd like to know why in the hell anyone would pay money to be treated like property.</p>
<p>Is some of this stuff even legal? It sounds more like a cult than a university.</p>
<p>^ seriously, that's what I asked!!! </p>
<p>I'm starting to doubt that the sexual revolution and feminist movement ever existed. sigh.</p>
<p>Yeah the 3rd list is actually stuff from PCC one... XP they are definately worse</p>
<p>2 funniest things I've heard on CC all dam week-</p>
<p>"Making Eye Babies" lol the eyes are being impregnated</p>
<p>"I'd rather do 2 tours of Iraq than attend Bob Jones U." ROFLMFAO</p>
<p>Whoa... guys... calm down there. First of all, no one is forcing these kids to attend these schools. So yes, it's legal, Constitutional, and, in fact, is protected by the Constitution under freedom of association rights. </p>
<p>Free speech is also protected, so you won't get any complaints from this department re: your thoughts on BJU.</p>
<p>Now, let me say that I LOVED my experience at a liberal New England college - would not trade that for the world. Despite that, I can really see the appeal of a place like Bob Jones (not so much PCC). It is very difficult to be conservative (in morals, not politically) in a modern university. There are a lot of people who are - quite understandably - not comfortable with alcohol use, sex without committment, and drug use. Very few college campuses are free of irresponsible drinking and casual sex. You can't exactly say, "Well, if you don't like it, don't do it;" after all, you have to live with people doing that around you AND it does influence your own life. It's hard as hell to date when every man thinks that "waiting" is torture. It's difficult to socialise with people who drink at age 18 when you don't; and it's really rough if you're stuck with a roomie who does drugs or comes home at 3 am throwing up from alcohol poisoning.</p>
<p>It's completely understandable that a lot of people would say - look, I choose to live my life a certain way and want to be around people who think the same things. In many ways, the rules are there to enforce what everyone would be doing anyway - i.e. keeping the appearance of propriety, modesty, and responsibility. </p>
<p>I do hear a lot of, "Well, these people are cloistering themselves and college should be learning about other things and opening your mind," but no one seems to say, "I would learn a lot from having someone like that as my roommate." That leads me to believe that y'all are open-minded to the things that you like and not very open-minded to the things that you don't like. Honestly, if you had a roommate who said that he didn't want to watch movies that border on porn (which is a lot of R-rated movies these days), dressed nicely for class, was in bed at midnight, didn't drink, and prayed every night - would you embrace the opportunity to get to know someone who is really passionate about his beliefs? Would you want to learn about why he does those things, what he wants from his life, or would you just complain about your straight-laced roommate?</p>
<p>It's a lot like home owner's associations. I'm sure that many of you live in gated communities or subdivisions that have fairly restrictive rules, or you know people who do. People actually pay MORE money to have fewer rights with their houses. HOA rules will prohibit painting your house certain colours, restrict the types of landscaping that you can do, restrict the noise level, prohibit you from letting your houe fall into disrepair. The thing is that, when one house has a car on blocks in the front yard and another house has an electric-blue front door, the property values in the entire neighbourhood go down. So people will happily paint their houses certain colours and keep the loud music down so that their neighbourhood is a pretty, quiet, nice place to live.</p>
<p>What's wrong with having the same thing for a university? After all, you are there to get an education. ;)</p>
<p>BJU is not just for religious zealots. In fact, many very conservative parents send their rebellious children there. You can see kids "hopping" over the fence and such. I have seen girls in mini-skirts, dressed in goth, etc, coming over the BJU fence in Greenville. So its either a reform school, or a place to continue your strong religious education.</p>
<p>Interesting note: they have an amazing collection of art which is open to the public</p>
<p>Ariesathena- you made some excellent points. I know my value system was definitely a huge factor in my college choice and everyone needs to find their own type of environment where they feel comfortable before they can expand their horizons. However, one needs a bit of freedom in order to do this as well, and Pensacola seems a bit over the top. (which you also mentioned)</p>
<p>I have a couple friends at Harding (Church of Christ school)...and they have a lot of the same rules. </p>
<p>I laughed my bum off when I first about read them on their website.</p>
<p>Hahahah. It was my best friend from middle school's DREAM to go to Pensacola Christian. Her parents went there, her best friend went there, everyone from her church went there. All she wanted was to go there and meet her future husband and read the bible all day and sing christian songs (..seriously...she talked about this constantly). I know she wound up there after graduation, but I checked her facebook recently after seeing her around and she totally transferred to CSU Long Beach. </p>
<p>Guess that didn't work out so well. </p>
<p>/The same girl decided that she couldn't be friends with me and some other girls in 9th grade bc her mother told her that we were "the anti-christs" because our families either weren't Christian or weren't Christian enough.</p>
<p>It's nice to see that others have had the same problems with overly-religious folks that I've had. Sometimes I feel like I'm going insane or something...but that makes it all better.</p>
<p>"I have a couple friends at Harding (Church of Christ school)...and they have a lot of the same rules."</p>
<p>Oh heck: katho11:
You do not mean the Harding Graduate School of Religion?
I live near there and was kinda thinking of putting it on my grad school list. Man, their web site seems like folks wear blue jeans and whatnot. I know they do at the Memphis Theological Seminary.</p>
<p>Umm i'm still disgusted with the school. calling it conservative is not even accurate. its like from another planet. it's not even 1950's, opposite genders were allowed to look at each other then at least. even hold hands! the people who made this school should be imprisoned so they cant affect any young minds.</p>
<p>Of course no one is forcing these kids to attend these schools, not in aa physcial sort of way</p>
<p>Many of these kids are homeschooled for religious reasons and go to this school</p>
<p>I think to call if a college is absurd</p>
<p>WHat I see is kids not really being given a choice</p>
<p>I will give you example- we all here about the Amish program that allows teens to go "out into the world" and decide if they want to continue being Amish anymore...sounds swell, right...and when you learn that a vast majority go back to the families, wow, means it must really be great</p>
<p>Well, here is some truth- most Amish kids are given n more that a very redimentary 8th grade education- reading writing arithmetic- after that they work at home all through the HS years, where farming, etc count as their education</p>
<p>so when they out in the world, they have few skills and generally the farthest they go is the local town to party with the local kids...</p>
<p>if they decide to stay in the world, they are cutoff from their family-siblings, friends etc, with no money, no HS education, few skills</p>
<p>so is it a "choice" when they go back home?</p>
<p>My point is, sometimes a "choice" isn't really a choice....</p>
<p>and PCC lied to all it students- many that graduate who thought they were accredited found out after t was too late their degree meant little, the course were not useful and think about this: how much will some students raised in very sheltered environments put up with because they have been taught the world is a dangerous place, and that women really are in danager when they go out alone, thet you can't trust men enough to be alone with them, that the world is so horrid and threatening, that even going to the movies will damage you</p>
<p>to me, that is not choice...</p>
<p>As for the Amish, it is what they know,, but to call it "free" choice to stay when your options are so few, well, what choice is that?</p>
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<p>Maybe not physically, but financially and psychologically which is more powerful. Parents wont support them if they stray from this path and they'll probably disown them. it makes me sick but it's true.</p>
<p>I'm just glad my parents don't know about this place.</p>
<p>oh i hope they wouldnt be...psychotic enough to send you there.</p>