<p>the ONLY reason BJU changed its dating policy was $$ and accredidation...not because it was the right thing to do...so any "wow, look they are okay with whites dating out of their own skin tone"...it was not done for any alturistic reasons, it was forced upon them...</p>
<p>However, they didn't commit to communism because of their lack of religion.
Whereas in every other example, religion drove them to violence. </p>
<p>Sly Si asked:
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Can you please tell me what Christian "extremists" have done recently?
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<p>Extremist Christians have commited atrocities because of their beliefs, examples:
- The Pope at the time of Nazism basically endorsing Hitler (not condemning him when he had the power to).
- Abortion clinic bombings
- The KKK
- The Lord's Resistance Army in southern Sudan
- Christian Serbs in Bosnia killing thousands of Muslims
- RWANDA -- 900,000 died because of this.
- The killing and enslavement of thousands of African-Americans (or Africans) and using the bible too justify their actions.</p>
<p>Millions of people have been killed RECENTLY because of Christian fundamentalism. Don't tell me they're less violent than Muslim or Jewish extremists.</p>
<p>And don't forget that lady that was on the news recently, who took her little church and protested at soldier's & gay people's funerals that "Dead soldiers were God's punishment for homosexuality" and that "Homosexuals were going Hell". </p>
<p>Sure, she may not be flying a plane into a building or raising armies of children soldiers.</p>
<p>But f*** me if I'd ever want to talk to her.</p>
<p>Oh God I told myself I wouldn't get sucked into such a disgustingly inaccurate discussion, but I feel the need too, probably because I feel somewhat violated by some of the things said on here. </p>
<p>First, (this is directed at several posters, including ENN and MissSF) please do not mistake the KKK, abortion clinic bombers, or any of the other "religious right" extremists as Christians. I'm sorry we live in a world where people actually think there is a justificiation for such evil, but these people are not Christians. Call them crazy, insane, or bigots, but please do not call them Christians, if you do, you are making an ignorant mistake. All you have to do is crack open any social studies textbook to know that religion has long been used as a justification for hate and violence in some attempt to make it right...be it the Crusades, the fall of Babylon, the KKK, sectarian violence in Iraq, the Israeli-Arab conflict, priest abuses</p>
<p>These people cower behind the massive connotations that come with the Holy Cross or the koran, they hide from the true evil of their actions under a label, be it Christian, Islam, Hindu, Judaism, Atheism... Unfortunately, people such as yourself are unable to make the distinction between the underlying evil and the superficial name, and you begin to associate the one with the other...the KKK with Christianity...the 9/11 terrorists with Islam...Catholicism with bigotry...Mormanism with polygamists...when in fact, these hate groups are only using the name to justify their evil. Because, without this name, the true evil of their actions would become transparent.</p>
<p>I implore you to read the bible/koran/torah, talk to a Priest, a pastor, a rabbi, find out what these religions really teach. I hope you will find that once you remove all the impurities, all the historical inaccuracies, all the people, you will find religions rooted in the ideals of genunine purity, selfless providence, opendmindness, and enlightenment. </p>
<p>It's a shame that something so pure has become so sinister in our society, but I encourage you to turn off the news, get off the internet and find out for yourselves what religion is really about. I think you'll be surprised at what you find.</p>
<p>Also, MissSF, I feel the need to make another post in response to your expressing disgust at these funerals. </p>
<p>While I agree with your sentiment that these protestors are nuts living in some kind of alternate universe who could benefit from an education, I fully believe they are entitled to their views and have the right to express it in a peacful manner. </p>
<p>Why, you might ask? </p>
<p>Because we have a little thing here in the U.S. of A. called the Constitution. Yes, the Constitution, what a novel idea. As of recently it seems like our little friend the Constitution has fallen out of favor with many Americans, INCLUDING the White House, and WHY is that? Because the Constitution is a hassle, it requires us Americans to actually pay attention for a change, it requires WORK. The Constitution can even be an inconvenience. It means that W. can't write his own legislation from the presidency right under the nose of Congress (Oh, wait, that already happened!). It means that the Christian Coalition can't turn our country into some kind of an evangelical nation state and, most of all, it means that you, me, and others must put up with these nutjobs publicizing/announcing their reverse and perverse ideas/theories. </p>
<p>But still, I ask, why don't we just throw these nutjobs in jail? We don't so those same nutjobs will put up with OUR reverse and perverse ideas/theories. It's a simple idea, really, in fact it's so simple I think you really only need a kindergarten education to understand it. But, if you still don't get my gist, I'll put it this way, or should I say as our great hero Martin Luther King once put it: "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." In other words, once we let government take a little bit of THEIR (yes, I'm referring to those damned God-Hates-Fags people) First Amendment right away, we have also just given a little bit of our First Amendment right away. You would think (Or maybe wouldn't) with the recent events in the Middle East that we Americans would come together to support, cherish, and appreciate that we live in a free-market, democratic nation, and possess these rights but instead we throw a fit (as you did on your show) when we see our constitution being exercised in a manner that does not suit our views. Instead, in a situation such as this we should defend the right of these people to protest peacfully and applaud our ability to do so. If you still disagree with me (and Thomas Jefferson) maybe you would be happier in Iran, where only some views are allowed. Where women are treated like second-class citizens. Where the government regularly interferes in the media and government finances,trains and organizes a murderous terrorist group and where there is a price to pay for even the slightest freedoms. We should appreciate that we live in America. You, more than anyone, should appreciate this...the fact that you can stand up and criticize without threat from the government. </p>
<p>Please don't confuse me with supporting bigots and racists as many people confused the ACLU with doing. My hope in writing this is that you and other Americans will wake up and join in the fight to preserve what we have left of our precious Constitution. Look around you, is it not alarming to you that W's wiretapping barely caused a ripple of outcry and protest from the American people? Is it not alarming that the rights of students in school have been so wittled down that even the landmark Tinker v. Des Moines decision now seems liberal by some standards? And, most of all, is it not frightening that an educated man such as yourself would demand that the rights of a few protestors be relinquished simply because their view is not in line with yours? It's time for you and others to wake up and smell the coffee. We have a President who has spent the entirety of his time in office trampling all over the Constitution. I could go on, but I should think this is sufficient for now.</p>
<p>Hitler wasn't actually religious. He just used religion to get people to follow him. </p>
<p>Quite brilliant, really.</p>
<p>way to sum up my entire posts into 18 words.</p>
<p>I was actually just responding to...</p>
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ariesathena: This isn't that specific, but Hitler was a Christian extremist. He was not the same kind of "extremist" (not necessarily my terminology) that we see today at places like BJU--and I'm NOT comparing him to them--but he was a Christian extremist.
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<p>...because while he did indeed write things like "I'm doing the Lord's work" in Mein Kampf, he was doing nothing more than keeping up with his clever little act. </p>
<p>He often regarded Christianity as a disease that must die little by little.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that many of the people who've attacked abortion clinics and the such truly believed in what they were doing.</p>
<p>If you are comparing Bob Jones students with Muslim terrorists, then you need to find BJU STUDENTS who have killed people on the same scale as Muslim terrorists. </p>
<p>Communism and gulags were justified on atheist grounds. One of the things about atheism is that it leaves precious little grounds to object to morally rephrenisible actions. </p>
<p>As for Hitler... I implore you people to get your facts right instead of engaging in Christian-bashing. Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" was deliberately an attempt to undermine Christianity and promote atheism. It is mentioned in his book. Hitler, if y'all recall, was trying to create a pure, master race - i.e. eugenics -i.e. Darwin and atheist principles. Sorry, folks, but thank you for further proving my point.</p>
<p>Germany, to further help y'all along, did not attack the U.S. in WWII. Yet we fought them. Why? Christian principles, anyone? </p>
<p>Sorry, folks. The BJU students aren't Muslim extremists; they aren't dangerous; they just happen to have moral principles that they deem absolute, not relative to whatever happens to be most convenient for them.</p>
<p>Katho, not my words; Si Sly wrote that.</p>
<p>Hitler also pretended to be a vegetarian to make himself look like Ghandi.</p>
<p>I know, I just copied and pasted his response to you. </p>
<p>I guess I should have edited your name out of the quote.</p>
<p>People, come now. The folks who attend BJU and PCC most likely attended the school by choice. Before they even began there, a prospective student would receive a handbook with the rules. If the rules were way to "strict", they didn't have to attend. Leave the people alone who attend there, and let them study in that manner. A Christian student who would want to spend the next four years of their life at a school with likeminded Christian young people probably would find BJU or PCC to be a utopia.</p>
<pre><code> That's the thing, see. We can sit back here and laugh at the lunacy of the some of the rules at BJU; but please realize that these rules are what set a Christian university apart from a secular university.
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<p>I for one would never attend a Christian university for the issue of the lack of accredidation. I am sure, however, that a Christian student who would wish to immerse himself with others who share his beliefs would look beyond the strict rules and grow spiritually throughout the college experience.</p>
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One of the things about atheism is that it leaves precious little grounds to object to morally rephrenisible actions.
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For the record, this is totally incorrect.</p>
<p>I think a few people kinda lost the point.</p>
<p>Somebody said they wouldn't want to talk to people from BJU or PCC, and then someone else attacked them - and people politely pointed out that there's a difference between accepting other people's beliefs, and putting up with extremist views. Don't say these "extremists" aren't Christian - they are. Don't say crusaders weren't Christian - they were. Anyone who calls themselves a Christian is a Christian...are they a good one? A bad one? Only God can say that much.</p>
<p>I don't care if whatever her face protesting at funerals has the RIGHT to abuse the first amendment by being rude and disrespectful. I still don't want to have a conversation with her. And that is all.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.studentsreview.com/SC/BJU.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.studentsreview.com/SC/BJU.html</a>
<a href="http://www.studentsreview.com/FL/PCC.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.studentsreview.com/FL/PCC.html</a></p>
<p>And let me just add not everybody who has a problem with extremists is disillusioned or ignorant about the Christian faith as a whole. My family is from Italy and Ecuador. I'm quite familiar with Christians, and don't have a problem with them...most of them :).</p>
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I don't care if whatever her face protesting at funerals has the RIGHT to abuse the first amendment by being rude and disrespectful. I still don't want to have a conversation with her. And that is all./quote]</p>
<p>I don't want either rocks thrown at my car or to have public thoroughfares blocked between Firday evening and Saturday evenings in certain area of NY. And that is all</p>
<p>^eh?</p>
<p>You mean...b/c of protests?</p>
<p>Er...</p>
<p>Everyone's point was just that they didn't want to talk to people who were going to press annoying and disrespectful systems of belief on them. And the first amendment gives them that right, too...so...I don't quite understand where dissent is coming from.</p>
<p>Anyway, I heard BJU wasn't that bad. I know a kid whose mom made him go there, graduated last year from my school. He hates it, of course, but the people are ok. PCC...I would have serious doubts about. It seems way more fundamentalist.</p>
<p>No, I mean just using a vehicle in neighborhoods where most of the residents don't use power between those hours due to religious beliefs,</p>
<p>"I don't care if whatever her face protesting at funerals has the RIGHT to abuse the first amendment by being rude and disrespectful"</p>
<p>WOW you totally missed my point. Wow. lol, are you trying to be funny? I wasn't saying they were "abusing" it. They are only exercising their first amendment right. C'mon people, haven't we all taken some sort of constitutional government class before? Oh, and please don't tell me you're one of those poeple you thinks the Constitution makes English our official language. Oh boy, why do I even try?</p>