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That's still YOUR opinion that's it's "absurd" -- you're just proving my point only further.
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<p>I'm not proving your point. You seem to have the bizzare idea that since we need to accept and embrace all peoples from all races, ethnicities, and creeds, that we must somehow also accept all ideals.</p>
<p>Not true. Ideals are another matter. Each person has their own ideals, and must necessarily disagree with certain contrasting ideals. That means I can ridicule those ideals, like we are ridiculing the ideals of BJU here. But we do not attack the person who holds these ideals. That would be an ad hominem attack, which should not be done. We will accept those who hold these ideals as human beings, but we can mock their beliefs all we want.</p>
<p>For example, evolutionists will not accept the beliefs of creationists and intelligent designers. Skeptics will not accept empiricist beliefs, &c. &c.</p>
<p>"Dishonesty, lewdness, sensual behavior, adultery, homosexuality, sexual perversion of any kind, pornography, illegal use of drugs, and drunkenness all are clearly condemned by God's Word and prohibited here. Further, we believe that biblical principles preclude gambling, dancing, and the beverage use of alcohol."</p>
<p>That takes all the fun out of college right there! ;)</p>
<p>Bob Jones' U's rules (such as not hiring anyone but evangelical Christians, or deeming homosexuality to be evil, or actively promoting a christian theocracy in our country) are what's intolerant. </p>
<p>A liberal/tolerant point of view <em>can't</em> tolerate one thing: prejudice/ intolerance. To do so would contradict the central tenet of liberalism. </p>
<p>Nobody is trying to abridge the rights of the Bob Jones-ers to do, say, and think whatever they choose, but liberals are certainly allowed to think these opinions are wrong and to say so.</p>
<p>I really liked the "Residence hall students may not watch videos above a G rating when visiting homes in town and may not attend movie theaters."</p>
<p>My point still stands regardless of whether BJU discriminates against certain individuals. The fact is that many posters on this thread ridiculed reasonable (according to Christian standards) laws set forth by BJU. If you were Christian and read this thread, this would be offensive to you - I hope you realize that.</p>
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it doesn't mean that I'm going to blindly be open to things that I don't look favorably upon...for example, anal sex. Now, I am not comparing BJU to anal sex, it was just an example.
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<p>hahahahahahahaha....that was so hilarious.</p>
<p>p.s.-i'm Christian and i was not offend, if anything i am more offended by the "Christian" principals the school claims to espouse</p>
<p>the bible teaches tolerance, something this school does anything but.</p>
<p>its not about being a Christian, this goes waaaay beyond being a Christian, its extreme. Im a Christian and there are certain standards of bahavior and decorum that i observe, but the standards at BJU are way beyond reactionary. im not mocking them as people nor am i mocking the idea of limits to behavior as good Christians, but as a Christian, im more offended by the rules @ BJU being so restrictive (almost to the point of implying that people have no self control whatsoever) than I am by the people posting here.</p>
<p>Haha you guys call yourselves liberals? Open and accepting of new ideas? Don't try to say that all you were criticizing was BJU's beliefs like intolerance and what not from the outset; clearly it was the "absurd" rules you were criticizing before you started defending yourselves. No one even mentioned the intolerance until later on.
This is coming from a Muslim.</p>
<p>None of the kids here made comments about how liberal, open, and accepting they are. Are you assuming that they identify themselves as "open and accepting" solely because they go to Brown? Don't be dumb.</p>
<p>That said, being tolerant of BJU would mean being tolerant of homophobia, patriarchy, and reactionism. Progress would NEVER be made if people were tolerant of all these things. When you say a social injustice, it's perfectly reasonable and honorable to call it out. Don't be ridiculous.</p>
<p>Well, I wouldn't say BJU is like the root of all evil. I'm sure, somewhere, it promotes a lot of good things, and they probably get overlooked because of all the silliness.</p>
<p>fids: How can you deny that Brown University is one of the most liberal schools in the country, its students included?</p>
<p>The fact is that many people ridiculed BJU's philosophy on a matter of trivial issues. I'm not homophobic, so I don't support BJU in their policy against homosexuals. I do, however, believe it's wrong to criticize their rules of clothing, etc (all of which are their tradition and rooted in their belief).</p>
<p>??? I wasn't denying it. I was only saying that it's ridiculous to make assumptions about the posters on this forum because Brown is a liberal institution...and then, from those assumptions, to imply that people were being at all hypocritical. It's just a silly thing to do.</p>
<p>Though I would say that Hampshire, Marlboro, Bennington, and plenty of other lesser known schools are a lot more liberal than Brown. I'm not certain, though.</p>
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bju isnt even accredited, they have the same degree granting power as Pizza Hut
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<p>haha, so funny. so was the anal sex things. And the irony of it being BJ university. Who was Bob Jones, btw?</p>
<p>I feel bad for the students. I mean yes, that whole establishment certainly has a right to believe whatever they want, but I think that this is so sad, this automatic dismissal of homosexuals, for example. I keep forgetting that I grew up in an especially great, for-the-most-part slice of New Jersey suburbia. The most discriminatory thing I've ever heard was this:</p>
<p>ON THE LUNCH LINE.
8th grade girl drops a quarter.
her companion: "Aren't you going to pick that up?"
The girl looks at her as if she's insane. "What do you think I am, a JEW?!"</p>
<p>lol i might add that I'm jewish...i was like did i really just hear that?!</p>
<p>Lest ye forget, this was the school where up until recently interracial dating was a campus no-no. 'Nuff said.</p>
<p>Bob Jones was some random rich bible-loving guy who started the school and now his ancestors run it like a theocracy. I think they are up to the IV, who just took over for his dad.</p>
<p>I also hear that Bob Jones has a museum of art on campus that they now "own" but before the Holocaust was owned by a number of affluent Jewish families in Europe, and those families did not sell their art to Bob Jones. Hm...</p>
<p>If Bob Jones were not located in South Carolina but the Pacific Islands or some such developing country, liberalism would require a specific tolerance of "difference." Even when those hypothetical (but certainly real) schools in these developing countries teach in non-modern formats: i.e. separation of gender, as you would get in many Muslim, ultra-orthodox Jewish and other traditional cultures. Even if they held views about sexuality, homosexuality and ethnicity that we would, as liberals, oppose in principal we would not ridicule the beliefs themselves--while still distinguishing our differences.</p>
<p>This slap-yourself-on-the-back liberalism seems shallow to me.</p>
<p>I oppose almost everything everyone else here opposes about Bob Jones, in principal; Yet, I do not feel the need to ridicule them for who they are--they are also people trying to better themselves with an education. I would never attend B Jones or fail to try to talk one of my friends out of it, but while doing so I would not ridicule them in an effort to show them how "modern" and intellectually superior I am to them and their beliefs:</p>
<p>Unless liberalism has simply degenerated into a cliquish mentality devoid of the principals that truly define it.</p>
<p>Thats my rant sorry, but I couldnt stop myself. =)</p>