<p>You might be a bit weak for bioengineering, but anything else is OK with those stats. Also, is MrTubbz arguing on here that he considers this school a match or something oO:; He looks like he is as long as he isn’t applying for an impacted engineering.</p>
<p>99cents why would mention “a kid whose both parents are surgeon, barely broke the 2000 ceiling, even after taking it twice with SAT prep class. He ended up taking the ACT.”</p>
<p>does it make a difference ?</p>
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Nowhere do you mention this, but that’s not important.</p>
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So I see you agree, although you say you don’t.</p>
<p>The following question goes back to my original question:
Do you guys agree that MR. Tubbz’ chances would be slightly different if he were asian/white?
If not, why are my chances lower than his (given that I’m instate)?</p>
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<p>Because SAT is often view in the context of parents income and education. The more educate and weathly environment the student comes from the more it is expected that student do well. Especially if a student has money for prep class. In Mr Tubbz’s case, his SAT will be viewed in the context of his family background.</p>
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<p>Race is not mentioned in the criteria for admission selection but students come from disadvantage background gets a lot of points.</p>
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<p>Does anybody know about this “challenge” category? What exactly do they mean? What if we have never had disadvantaged background? Could those “hardships or unusual circumstances” be for example academic or athletic challenges we have pursued? Or is it purely for example a family member dying or born in a low-income family?</p>
<p>For example I wrote about training with Taiwan’s national track athletes during the summer and portrayed that as a very difficult challenge in my personal statement. Would this example be something that they would look at as the last category?</p>
<p>I don’t think they mean that kind of challenge. Usually low income and grow up inner city kind of challenge.
Most kids don’t have this challenge and still get in.</p>
<p>wat does reach, slight reach, and match exactly mean?</p>
<p>^Percentages really don’t work if that’s what you’re meaning. Just think of a reach as an unrealistic chance of getting in (ie. no one will bet money that the person’s going to get in, but things do happen), slight reach as a realistic chance of getting in, but not particularly high, and match as a reasonable chance of getting in.</p>
<p>i read that the rate of admissions from people of low income has declined since holistic admissions. just replying to 99cents.</p>
<p>once again, what are my chances if i had applied engineering? (my stats are on the previous page)</p>
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<p>I don’t know but it scares me too when I look at the criteria. I’m glad the family data is optional. But according to UCSD, it gives 500 points for low income and a lot of points for students that come from a disadvantage background, first generation, etc… It’s the equivalent of 500 points on the SAT and that is a lot. So according to UCSD the stack is against kids like DD who can only count on her GPA, courseload, SAT scores, leadership, initiative. </p>
<p>But DD is not complaining and neither am I.</p>
<p>So UCLA doesn’t give those points for those disadvantage background ppl or they do…? I thought all the UC’s use those same categories</p>
<p>They will do something similar but UCLA and UCB admissions policies are not point based. But the same criteria will be used. That is why they want have this wording in your essay, “Describe the world you come from” is for people who come from disadvantaged background.
I think looking at UCLA’s CDS for 2007, it does give more weight to test scores vs UCB which does not give as much weight. UCLA put test scores in the “very important” category, while UCB only put test scores in “important” category.</p>
<p>But here is an anecdote from people at work, 2 Taiwanese guys, one with high GPA and test scores, wrote the essay for the one with low GPA and low test scores. Both applied to the same major at UCLA, guess who got in?</p>
<p>The one with low GPA and low test scores got in because he wrote about hardship in his family. Like his parent had a failed business or something.</p>
<p>Arklogic, you would be a match if you applied for engineering.</p>
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<p>UCLA: Slight Reach (Engineering)</p>
<p>Oh, so test scores don’t ultimately determine who gets in right? I’ve heard from a lot of people that many schools have the “test scores and GPA” door, if your stats are at a certain level then it doesn’t really matter how high they are. Is UCLA like this?</p>
<p>So if given this situation,
Guy A: 2150 SAT, 4.1 GPA
Guy B: 2050 SAT, 3.8 GPA
Guy B has much better EC’s and personal statements. Would UCLA choose A or B? From what I’ve heard from my college counselors, most schools will choose guy B because after a certain cutoff colleges just don’t care about the stats as much. Now, our school sends a lot of kids to liberal arts colleges and smaller schools in the East Coast, so I’m not sure if this applies to UCLA. Does UCLA place so much emphasis on the test scores that even very good personal statements and EC’s can’t balance it out?</p>
<p>Should get in…we are out of state also and my sister got in with similar stats. As you know you have to have a higher GPA than California students to get in, but you seem to have it. She got in to UCLA, UC Berkely and UC San Diego.</p>
<p>My sister had none of that low income disadvantaged profile going and still got in. See note to Salpert re states and grades.</p>
<p>Don’t kid yourself…stats and grades are important to both Berkely and UCLA. My sister got into both from out of state and had no points for anything. You have to have a half grade higher GPA than comparable CA candidates to be accepted if you are out of state. She had about 3 Bs, 32 ACT, 2000 SAT, took almost all APs available and had great ECs.</p>