W&M?
@Cariño Columbia’s admit rate is not directly comparable to SCEA schools because Columbia uses ED.
We’re still expecting some big announcements, Stanford most prominently, but there are several schools that have been more forthcoming in past years and have remained pretty silent this year. These “missing” schools include Amherst, Bowdoin, Claremont, and Northwestern.
What about William & Mary RD? I know you have their ED rate listed, but would be interested to see how their RD rate compares.
@spayurpets I apologize, not my intention to disregard your daughter’s merit. I based my response based on your one comment, so I shouldn’t have chimed in when I wasn’t following the thread.
This Hoya article includes more accurate data, http://www.thehoya.com/georgetown-acceptance-rate-hits-record-low/, so I’m updating Georgetown (and increasing their RD rate by 2%). Also it has some really interesting breakdowns for the acceptance rates of the different Georgetown schools and by race(!), so highly recommended reading.
Of all the schools, Georgetown is probably the one that has an acceptance rate most accurately reflected by an overall rate (which was 15.4% this year) and not by a split of EA and RD. That is because they defer all the non-accepted EA apps to the RD round.
Harvard RD 1118 out of 33,033 (3.4%)
Princeton RD 1120 out of 26,053 (4.3%)(waitlist,1168=4.5%, Yield,1308=69.2%)
Yale RD 1401 out of 27,814 (5.0%)(Yield,1550=69.2%)
Columbia ED/RD 2185 out of 37,389 (5.8%)
Brown RD 1927 out of 29,554 (6.5%)(Deferred accepted,100=5.4%, waitlist,1000=3.4%)
MIT RD 781 out of 11,853 (6.6%)
Penn RD 2345 out of 34,266 (6.8%)(Yield,2445=66.1%)
Duke RD 2255 out of ~30,884 (7.3%)(58 deferred accepted=8.6%)
MIT EA 657 out of 8394 (7.8%) (def=69.7%, rej=22.4%)
Pomona ED/RD ~742 out of 9046 (8.2%)
Dartmouth RD 1537 out of 18,035 (8.5%)
Vanderbilt RD 2382 out of 27,841 (8.6%)
Swarthmore ED/RD 960 out of 9383 (10.2%)(Yield,405=42.1%)
Johns Hopkins RD 2542 out of 24,644 (10.3%)
Cornell RD ~4510 out of 41,654 (10.8%)(waitlist,5713=13.7%)
Georgetown EA 931 out of 7822 (11.9%)(def=88.1%)
Williams College RD 996 out of 7865 (12.7%)
Boston University ED2 ~274 out of 2039 (~13.4%)
Harvard SCEA 938 out of 6473 (14.5%)
Colorado College ED1/ED2/EA/RD 1212 out of 8215 (14.7%)
Barnard 1139 out of 7716 (14.8%)
Princeton SCEA 770 out of 5003 (15.4%)
Wesleyan ED1/ED2/RD ~1932 out 12,543 (15.4%)
Washington University in St. Louis ED/RD ~4875 out of 30,464 (16%)
USC RD 8980 out of 56,000 (16.0%)
Middlebury RD 1350 out of ~8082 (16.7%)(Yield,705=40.2%)
Yale SCEA 871 out of 5086 (17.1%) (def=52.7%, rej=28.6%)
Georgetown RD 2382 out of 13,643 (17.5%)(Yield, 1600=48.3%)
Georgia Tech RD (IS/OOS) 2917 out of 15,769 (18.5%)
Haverford ED/RD 859 out of 4424 (19.4%)
UCLA RD (IS/OOS) ~20,400 out of 102,000 (~20%)
Carleton College ED1/ED2/RD ~1300 out of 6500 (~20%)(Yield,520=~40%)(ED1/ED2=~208)
Rice ED 329 out of 1604 (20.5%)
Wellesley ED1/ED2/RD ~1197 out of 5700 (~21%)
Emory RD 4698 out of 22,201 (21.2%)
UVA RD (OOS) 2342 out of 10,897 (21.5%)
Brown ED 695 out of 3170 (21.9%)(def=60%, rej=18%)
Georgia Tech EA (OOS) ~2300 out of 11,515 (~21%)
Penn ED 1354 out of 6147 (22.0%)
UVA EA (OOS) 3339 out of 14,968 (22.3%)
Vanderbilt ED1/ED2 __ out of __ (23.6%)
Carnegie Mellon ED 330 out of 1375 (24.0%)
Notre Dame REA 1470 out of 6020 (24.4%) (893 def=14.8%)
Duke ED 861 out of 3516 (24.5%)(def,671=19.1%)
UVA RD (IS/OOS) 4043 out of 16,361 (24.7%)
Boston University RD 14,013 out of 56,634 (24.7%)(Yield,3400=22.4%)
Wake Forest RD ~2750 out of 11,000 (~25%)(Yield,1350=38.6%)
Cornell ED ~1379 out of 5384 (25.6%)(def=20.9%, rej=53.5%)
Northwestern ED ~963 out of 3736 (~25.7%)
Dartmouth ED 555 out of 1999 (27.8%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS/OOS) 4380 out of 15,715 (27.9%)
Boston University ED1/ED2 ~1190 out of 4181 (~28.5%)
UVA EA (IS/OOS) 5914 out of 20,446 (28.9%)(def,5458=26.7%; rej,9074=44.4%)
Tulane EA 6480 out of 22,256 (29.1%)
Tufts ED1/ED2 ~675 out of 2310 (~29.2%)
Trinity College RD 1691 out of 5655 (30.0%)
UVA RD (IS) 1701 out of 5664 (30.0%)
Johns Hopkins ED 591 out of 1934 (30.6%)
Emory ED 474 out of 1493 (31.7%)
Boston College RD ~6300 out of 28,500 (32.3%)
Boston College EA ~2900 out of 9000 (~33%)(def,3500=38.9%, rej,2500=27.8%)
Williams ED 257 out of 728 (35.3%)
Wake Forest ED1/ED2 ~750 out of 2000 (~37.5%)
Middlebury ED2 60 out of ~155 (38.7%)
University of Florida RD 13,214 out of ~34,000 (~38.9%)
Macalester ED1/ED2/RD ~2301 out of 5901 (~39.0%)
Boston University ED1 916 out of 2142 (42.8%)
Middlebury ED1/ED2 403 out ~828 (48.7%)
UVA EA (IS) 2575 out of 5278 (48.8%)
Fordham EA 9812 out of 19,859 (49.4%)
Georgia Tech EA (IS) ~2080 out of 4200 (~49%)
Middlebury ED1 343 out of 673 (51.0%) (def,60=8.9%, rej,270=40.1%)
William & Mary ED 528 out of 1023 (51.6%)
University of Georgia EA 8059 out of 15,614 (51.6%)
Fordham ED 156 out of 293 (53.2%)
Trinity College ED1/ED2 315 out of 443 (71.1%)
This just in from WSJ —
Harvard University topped the exclusivity chart with a 5.2% acceptance rate, as the school offered spots to 2,056 of a record 39,506 applicants.
Columbia, Princeton, Brown, the University of Pennsylvania and Cornell also boasted their largest freshman applicant pools in history, and acceptance rates dropped to 5.8%, 6.1%, 8.3%, 9.2% and 12.5%, respectively.
Dartmouth College was the only Ivy to see a decline in applications. The school received 20,034 for the latest cohort, compared with 20,675 for the Class of 2020. Still, it accepted slightly fewer students, so the admit rate declined to 10.4% from 10.5%.
The fear of Yale accepting hundreds of additional students this year doesn’t seem to have affected the peer admit rates. (And it didn’t seem to have any effect on Yale’s admit rate either!) Brown, for example, a school that is flush in the headlights of a Yale cross-admit collision, actually accepted fewer students this year than last. Maybe the waitlists are a bit larger this time around, but that’s all I can find different. The unrelenting crush of students wanting to attend the Ivy League seems to have overwhelmed any Yale effect.
When are Stanford, Chicago and Northwestern releasing data?
@Boothie007 Today, Never, Don’t know (they are already past due).
I think the Yale increase in class size was just too small to matter in the overall scheme of things, @spayurpets. As you say, the overall increase in apps to top-tier schools swamped the incremental capacity.
Interestingly, as I guessed might happen, Yale slightly overadmitted to reflect the fact that they couldn’t be entirely certain what would happen in the first expanded admissions cycle. They made exactly 300 more offers this year than last year, and, according to their news release, are targeting the class to increase by 200, which would represent a 67% yield on the incremental admits (a touch below the 70% they had last year with the smaller class size). The overall admit rate rose because apps increased 4.6% (second-biggest increase in the Ivies after the 6.0% at Princeton), but offers increased by 15.2% to reflect the expansion.
I am a little curious about the long-term trend at Harvard. As you can see from this article in the Crimson last year (http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/4/1/admissions-low-2020/), the number of applicants had fluctuated in a narrow band of 34,295 - 35,023 for years, before popping up to 37,307 (+8.8%) the year before last when Harvard stepped up its low-income outreach efforts (see here: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/4/16/admissions-downward-trend-experts/), then 39,041 (+4.6%) last year. This year, the number was 39,506 (+1.2%), with only Brown (+1.0%) and Dartmouth (-3.1%) growing more slowly. Not quite sure what to make of this.
If I have to make a guess, I think Dartmouth, Brown, Yale, and Harvard are not catching the increasing number of engineering applicants. And none of them have business.
Penn and Cornell are growing because of growing interest in business undergrad. Princeton, Cornell, UPenn, and Columbia are getting the increasing number of engineering applicants.
Stanford will be interesting since they decided to not release EA results.
Still expect Stanford to be the most selective university in the US when results are released
From an acceptance letter posted on the Amherst RD Thread: This year Amherst received a record total of over 9,200 applications for an incoming class of 472 students.
Does not give admit rate but if they are going for the same yield as last year then they would have accepted around 1100 which would be 12%.
I’m not sure that the overall numbers support those statements, @osuprof, although they may be at least partially true. I make the individual year-over-year changes to be as follows: Brown (+1.0%); Columbia (+3.0%); Cornell (+4.6%); Dartmouth (-3.1%); Harvard (+1.2%); Princeton (+6.0%); UPenn (+3.8%); and Yale (+4.6%). I think the fluctuations are much more driven by the amount of outreach/marketing from the admissions offices, particularly to low-income/minority students. Reading between the lines of Princeton’s news release, I think that was a contributor to their big increase this year.
Admission Decisions to be Released on March 31. The Stanford Office of Undergraduate Admission will release decisions to Regular Decision applicants on Friday, March 31 at 4:00 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time.
Expect the Stanford announcement to come at 7pm EST
Well if we’re engaging in rank speculation, I think the application numbers are skewed by China, and there is a winner-take-all effect that is taking place with applications to the top tier of US universities. With no evidence to back this up, I’m guessing that as much as 1/5th of the applications to Harvard, and most of the increase over the last five year years, may be coming from China. Domestic applications haven’t changed much if at all. Chinese students mostly apply to the Ivy League and some select STEM oriented schools that are well-known to Chinese (e.g., Berkeley, MIT, Stanford, UCLA), that’s why there has been a large and growing separation between the admit rates of LACs (which don’t get as many Chinese apps) and large universities in the past five years. The impact of this isn’t something to worry about for domestic US students, however, and they should largely ignore the seemingly miniscule sub-10% admit rates of these schools. If I’m right, Harvard’s 5% admit rate is really made up of a steady 10-12% US student acceptance rate and a 0.5% Chinese student admit rate.
I can tell you factually that several tippy top schools who used to send consistently 4-8 a year to Harvard , have in the past two years sent far fewer and some have had one or none last year and this year. Clearly Harvard is looking for many types of diversity and first generation college more than ever. Also not sure that the increase of international students has as benign an effect as you think on US students.
True that.
That might be one of the reasons why Wesleyan accepted me. Btw I’m Chinese, from Shanghai, but I’m an international student in a private school here.
@sprayurpets
'm guessing that as much as 1/5th of the applications to Harvard, and most of the increase over the last five year years, may be coming from China … If I’m right, Harvard’s 5% admit rate is really made up of a steady 10-12% US student acceptance rate and a 0.5% Chinese student admit rate.
If Chinese applicants are only around 20% of total applications (and assuming most of the rest are US), one cannot have 10-12% US student acceptance rate and go down to 5% overall. And applicants from under-represented countries may be reasonably good acceptance rate, since they add diversity to the student body.