Do the people reviewing applications see ethnicity?

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<p>Yes she did, but she didn't get into UCLA. Forgive me, if that's not what we're talking about. I didn't really think she'd need a "bump" for the others, and I thought outside of the "holistic" schools, the only points could be for adversity. It's my impression you MIGHT get "bumps" for adveristy plus race, but not race alone. My D gets no points for adversity, unless dealing with me counts!</p>

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It's my impression you MIGHT get "bumps" for adveristy plus race, but not race alone.

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<p>That's at least how it should be.</p>

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<p>The passing of prop 209 was one of the biggest mistakes Californians have ever made. A couple of you infer that one must experience adverse circumstances for the UC's to give you a "bump." Try growing up black in California, rich or poor, it ain't easy.</p>

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<p>I agree as well</p>

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<p>The world is bigger than UCLA... there are several schools within the UC system itself that are better than UCLA in several aspects. Stop trying to live vicariously through your daughter.</p>

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<p>Have you been to a UC campus? It's by far the complete opposite representation of demographics. White and Asian students completely dominate the landscape. In fact, I defy anyone to travel even 100ft without seeing a white or asian student. Whatever it is they're doing to keep a "politically correct" appearance, sure as hell isn't working.</p>

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<p>Exactly. Most people will never know the problems that come with growing up as a minority. It goes much further than just being poor. </p>

<p>Whenever some of my peers mention how lucky I am to have been born Mexican, because they mistakenly think it'll give me a leg up when applying to med schools, I ask them if they've ever been followed around a store by security, or if they ever been pulled over by the police simply because you happen to be driving around the wrong part of town, that'll usually shut them right the hell up...</p>

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<p>Oh God, we got another victim of the system here. I'm sure when the cop pulled you over he said, "I pulled you over because you're Mexican, and driving in the wrong part of town". I bet it had nothing to do with the way you driving because white and Asian people are exempt from being pulled over. Also, most teenagers are followed around in stores, so at some point in their lives I'm sure most people here have been followed.</p>

<p>The UCs may be doing better at not taking ethnicity into account, but being a minority is definitely a leg up when applying to top graduate schools. Many top schools still admit less qualified minority students in the interest of campus diversity. You should look at the average LSAT, MCAT, and GPA scores amongst minority students who are admitted to top law and medical schools compared to Asian and White students. </p>

<p>Discrimination</a> Continues by Roger Clegg on National Review Online</p>

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<p>Or have you asked your friends what it's like to be studying for economics and have a shootout in front of your house followed by a night-long escapade of sirens and helicopters hovering over your house for hours, while still trying to study for your exam next night and rest for work the next day?</p>

<p>I bet only a small, small percentage of people here know how loud a police helicopter is when its hovering over your house, haha. This happened last night. :(</p>

<p>And as many here know, yes I am Mexican.</p>

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<p>Dem Bones,
Are you generalizing all schools based on some controversy at UMich?</p>

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<p>"The UCs may be doing better at not taking ethnicity into account, but being a minority is definitely a leg up when applying to top graduate schools. Many top schools still admit less qualified minority students in the interest of campus diversity. You should look at the average LSAT, MCAT, and GPA scores amongst minority students who are admitted to top law and medical schools compared to Asian and White students."</p>

<p>So your saying there is a problem with admitting students who have faced a lifetime of hardships because they score slightly lower....</p>

<p>Not to mention these scores do not take into account preparation as far back as grade school. If I were on an admissions board and a minority student with illiterate parents, a subpar education, and undervalued cultural capital applied I think I might take that into consideration when his/her scores are slightly lower.</p>

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I bet only a small, small percentage of people here know how loud a police helicopter is when its hovering over your house, haha. This happened last night.

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<p>How much do you want to bet Grey that it wasn't white people having a shoot-out in front of your house being so disruptive to your studying? But no it's whites that keep you oppressed not your own communities right?</p>

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<p>whoa whoa whoa... what the hell are you talking about? When did I even implicitly insinuate that I am being oppressed by white people? Don't put words in my mouth. Be a little more tactful. I personally don't give a damn about this whole "extra boost" crap. I have a GPA competitive with all the white people on here, so put this junk to rest.</p>

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<p>Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrinkrap
Yes she did, but she didn't get into UCLA...</p>

<p>"The world is bigger than UCLA... there are several schools within the UC system itself that are better than UCLA in several aspects. Stop trying to live vicariously through your daughter."</p>

<p>I'm not following you. I was simply giving my anecdotal experience that I saw no evidence of a "boost" in the UCLA admission process, and that to many, the UC system does not look "politically correct". I'm saying my daughter had the same odds as anyone else, and she didn't get in. I'm not happy about it, but I'm not saying it's unfair, or that somebody "got her spot". BTW I went to UCLA.</p>

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<p>Victim? Please, I transferred with a better GPA than the majority of my (mostly) white and asian peers. I consistently outperform them on exams, and as a result receive very generous financial aid from the system. </p>

<p>Also:
The</a> LAPD and racial profiling - Los Angeles Times</p>

<p>I'm not the only person claiming you're more likely to be pulled over for being a minority. It's been going on for years... Like I said, unless you are a minority, chances are you have no idea what we go through.</p>

<p>I'm sure teenagers have been followed around a store once or twice, but the fact that it still happens well past our teen years is a little disconcerting. Fact of the matter is, people view you differently if you're a minority. Hell, just a few weeks ago, some ass.hole in my apartment complex thought I was delivery man. This was despite the fact that I had my book bag slung over my shoulder and was wearing a UCSD shirt. </p>

<p>He didn't see a student, he saw a delivery man... I wonder why that is?</p>

<p>Also, lets not start a Race/GPA discussion. There's to much to take into consideration (disparities in early education, parental involvement, etc) for there to ever be a productive discussion.</p>

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<p>Tough life.</p>

<p>I had one too but I'm not going to cry about it.</p>

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<p>Exactly. This was always fun, especially when the police decide to go door to door for witness statements, or when they invite themselves into your home because they suspect the guy may be hiding in your backyard. </p>

<p>I should just start asking them how many times a police officer has pointed a gun in their face? If it's less than once, I don't want to hear their opinions on the troubles minorities go through.</p>

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<p>People like dem bones seems to think that everyone in the world must have had an easy enough life that they can just study 24/7, parents that were willing to help them with schoolwork, or even cared about whether they had anything to eat for the day...</p>

<p>@whoswithwhatnow
Grey never said anything about white people, nor did mention he was being kept down by "whitey". He was pointing out the very real fact that for a lot of minority students, having a police helicopter hover over your home looking for a suspect isn't something new for us, and is most likely something that the majority of non-minority students never have to deal with...</p>

<p>Which in my opinion is a pretty fair assessment. UCSD seems to be a bastion for middle/upper class white and asian students. Some of which have the audacity to claim that the biggest problem in their lives is that they have nothing to talk about in the "overcoming adversity" section of graduate school applications...</p>

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<p>Uh...</p>

<p>I'm always lost when every thread like this gets into an argument. :/ </p>

<p>Btw. Mixed here, even though they don't see the ethnicity, I just re-read my second personal statement and I talked about being a interracial student. </p>

<p>(Father-Spanish/Mexican Mother-Korean/Japanese).</p>

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<p>@spywear</p>

<p>Who's crying? People seem to think it's a blessing to have been born anything but white/asian because it gives you an "undeserved boost" when applying to schools.</p>

<p>I'm just trying to inform them that the "undeserved boost" that comes with being a minority has quite a few other consequences that they never take into consideration. Another one of which is that other students feel you're undeserving of your spot at a school, because of affirmative action. Never mind the fact that it's been gone for several years now...</p>

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<p>spywear, who's crying?</p>

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<p>Who's crying, spywear? If anyone it's you. Hahahaha.</p>

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<p>Wahh, the ghettobird is hovering over my house and I get followed around in Wal-Mart.</p>

<p>Life is so harrrrrrrrrrrrrd</p>