<p>By that reasoning almost every school west of the Mississippi should be at least 50% Native American because settlers burned their territory and slaughtered their prey. You can't really use that argument, because you don't know where to draw the line. </p>
<p>I agree with CH121S. AA threads always end up being pointless and bitter.</p>
<p>Edited...forget about it...</p>
<p>No!! my argument is not for irredentism. I am only stating the hard facts here.</p>
<p>I was never fortunate enough to use AA because my parents sent me off to the prep school in England. Consequently, therefore, I got into top Universities with ease. However, many Blacks do not have the means to send kids to Abingdon, Headington, Eton, etc.
Thus they have to settle with mediocre state schools.
No one is complaining about legacy at Yale and Harvard. Again, it is easy to blame Blacks for your problems.</p>
<p>"Remember cotton was King from 1756 to 1865. Blacks were the cotton mules. Without Black labor there would have been no Virginia. The British would have taken their investment elsewhere."</p>
<p>Sort of irrelevant but I think tobacco was actually the cash crop when the British first settled Virginia, cotton didn't really become king until the cotton gin was invented by good ol' Eli</p>
<p>can someone please just close this thread.....its just going to continue with irrelevant fighting between everyone</p>
<p>do we really need this thread?</p>
<p>Why close down this thread? Why is the AA argument irrelevant?
We had a palatable discussion on Affimative Action and the historical roots that led to the need for AA.
We live in the US; freedom of speech is important here.</p>
<p>what on earth are you talking about rollo.</p>
<p>Historical roots???? Ok granted, the United States had slavery, but what in gods name does slavery have to do with college admissions?!</p>
<p>AA just sets us back in everything we are trying to accomplish in terms of racial equality. AA doesnt make anyone equal, it further segregates and draws a thicker line between skin color.</p>
<p>you see Doogie the problem is we need AA because there is a chance colleges will discriminate, while there also is a chance that some deserving people will not get admitted. The truth this is life its not fair the world is not perfect there you go</p>
<p>now why shoudl we close it? because its going to degenerate to a thread about somethign completely off topic</p>
<p>on the other side we do have freedom of speech you are correct about that. And I guess if people can say things better than "AA kept me out of collage" Im fine with this thread staying open (notice i spelled college wrong on purpose</p>
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AA just sets us back in everything we are trying to accomplish in terms of racial equality. AA doesnt make anyone equal, it further segregates and draws a thicker line between skin color
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Regardless of my own personal views on affirmative action, I agree with Doogie in this point: I can't count the number of times I've heard white students at my college make snide comments about how a lot of the black students "clearly" got in due to AA. What doesn't do anything to change their minds on this, however, is how a good deal of (not all, please notice I did not say all) of black students here seem to feel the need to become stereotypes of their culture and associate primarily with those of their own race. You're at an Ivy League school, you know how to speak properly - please don't disguise your intelligence with ebonics, etc.</p>
<p>It hurts my heart that Whites are facing discrimination. they are an oppressed race. I guess the use of AA is analogous to lynching White people.</p>
<p>why would a college discriminate based on skin color...lets be serious here.</p>
<p>All colleges are essentially a business, if you can boost their stats and you will pay them tuition then they dont give a hoot about your skin color.</p>
<p>They dont care about skin color, they care about finances, ranking, and statistics. </p>
<p>People like Al Sharpton need a life, enough is enough already. Like i said earlier AA is just continuing segregation and racial inequality. Why is it that certain people are essentially looking for a loophole to get into college, if you dont have the grades then dont complain about getting rejected or say its because you are of whatever race. ITS BECAUSE YOU DONT OFFER THE COLLEGE ANYTHING.</p>
<p>Gracislisie, I am affronted that you have the temerity to stereotype all Blacks as being ignorant and dimwitted on Ivy league campuses. For your information you could never have attended my University in the UK. Rejects from the mentioned University end up getting full Harvard scholarships.</p>
<p>The same way you look at Blacks at your colleges, lecturers in England consider some White Americans as lacking a good verbal economy.</p>
<p>umm he didnt say one thing that would imply anything youve just said rollo.</p>
<p>oh and btw, i have such a gripe with howard university its rediculous. You will NEVER EVER see a college that is labeled as a "historically white university" cause GOD help them if the press got wind of it. However its totally acceptable for Howard to label themselves as historically black. I still see segregation here, and i think you know who is to blame for that little example.</p>
<p>howard dental school is half white. likewise is the school of pharmacy.
I think historical Black colleges should accept more whites and Latinos in order to stay competitive.</p>
<p>So what your saying is basically african americans arent intelligent and that they alone wouldnt make a school competative...cause thats not at all a stereotype right?</p>
<p>why are you making the assumption that african americans wouldnt make a school competative? Your digging yourself into a hole and just totally bashing your own race. </p>
<p>Your almost proving my point, why should anyone who is underqualified be accepted into a university with standards. I am not saying that my statement refers to only african americans as being unqualified, but anyone...AA just doesnt allow for competativeness because it doesnt allow for acceptance to be based on stats.</p>
<p>Mexican President once asked GW Bush to open US borders to immigration. I believe that this will make the US the greatest and most prosperous melting pot in the world. This will also help multiculturism. This will help improve foreign language skills for US college students. MBA students at IMD and Insead speak at least three languages; and consequently they are better prepared to cope internationally. More AA for Hispanics will help integrate Latinos into American society.</p>
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I was under the impression that Harvard does not give out scholarships except financial aid. That said, Harvard and Oxford are completely different in terms of admissions. You can't compare apples and oranges. </p>
<p>Also, there's been lots of threads on this issue. Just search for them:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/search.php?searchid=1584486%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/search.php?searchid=1584486</a></p>
<p>What are you taking about Doogie? I am for multiculturism at Black and White Colleges.</p>