<p>White people didn't care about keeping racism alive when it was hurting minorities</p>
<p>That was a reference to slavery, guy.</p>
<p>I honestly don't understand why white people complain about reverse racism. There is no such thing.</p>
<p>how is there no such thing?? Racism is defined as "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others."</p>
<p>You are telling me that pigment differentiates who and who cant have this belief...are you serious?</p>
<p>Come visit New York City, go to certain parts of the bronx, and if you are white, tell me how you get treated. </p>
<p>I have friends who work the 4-0 precinct NYPD in the south bronx. The hatred that certain individuals show towards caucasions is unbelievable. That, my friend is racism.</p>
<p>What i meant by my statement was only slavery. And BTW even though slavery was abolished does not remotely mean that racism was not existing in those areas. If you think racism ended with slavery perhaps you need to reread your history books.</p>
<p>I don't mean there isn't racism in that sense. Of course there are people that are going to hate or even hurt white people. Why wouldn't they, when many whites believe in white privilege and oppress others? Anyway, I was referring to the policies that whites claim to hurt them, i.e. AA. Obviously, AA rarely affects whites anyways. If they can't get in to the school they want to when there are AA policies, then they probably can't get in if there weren't.</p>
<p>y is that? --if there were two ppl exactly the same except one was black hed get in</p>
<p>how does having someone else get into the same school you apply to affect you? it doesn't. so what if he got in with the same stats as you. you aren't an african american and you don't know what it is like to be one. no matter what you do, you will never know what it is like.</p>
<p>what does being african american have to do with their life.</p>
<p>Think about this for a moment...im pretty sure p diddy's kids are having a muuuch better life then me, so if his kid has the same stats as me, he gets to get in because "i dont know what its like to be african american"</p>
<p>yea i guess i dont know what its like to drive around in a ferrari.</p>
<p>You are making the generalization that all african americans are living the hard life. This isnt true. Lets be realistic for a moment. If you come from a poor area, whether you are white or black, chances are you won't go to college. Thats just the way it is. The majority of the people that benefit from AA are minorities who are moderately wealthy to wealthy. Statistics show that the majority of college bound students are from these economic classes. For the most part, they are not the kids who have lived what I would call a tough life. I live in one of the more wealthy suberbs of New York and the minorities of my school are benefiting from AA, and let me tell you they dont live the tough lives that you speak of. Especially the kid who just got a new H2. </p>
<p>If you are trying to justify AA by saying that african americans live tougher lives then caucasions...you will get shut down. I can promise you that.</p>
<p>I will show you areas that I have responded to that are upscale african american homes, and I will show you areas with run down shotty homes owned by whites that look like they belong in a COPS episode. There is no way you can say that AA is necessary because no one knows what its like to be an african american. That is just rediculous. </p>
<p>And btw, you say AA doesnt affect anyone...if thats the case then why dont we just get rid of AA? AA simply gives admission openings to minorities instead of students of the majority race. Qualifications are secondary. This is going to affect people, i can not comprehend how you can ignore that fact.</p>
<p>"how does having someone else get into the same school you apply to affect you?"</p>
<p>BECAUSE YOU IGNORANT LITTLE BOY they only have a certain number of spots available for the incoming class and some who arent as qualified (those who get in through AA) take spots away from more qualified ones...even supporters of AA cant argue this one...</p>
<p>That was incredibly racist. All minorities who get in aren't unqualified, so no all who agree with AA do not agree with that. The fact that you assume so proves that the racisim all of you try to pretend isn't there is still alive but hiding. WoW according to your perspective no minorities should be in college. As an african-american with a 4.2 gpa and 2250 I am offended.</p>
<p>Many of miss the point: </p>
<p>While yes, there are well to do blacks, and poor off whites... the fact of the matter is that in terms of the united states as a whole, many minorities grow up in lower income areas.</p>
<p>This unfortunatly translates itself into poorer levels of education. While some individuals tend to overcome this adversity, many do not. Thus, AA.</p>
<p>What should be done? We should be putting the time we spend arguing to help correct the imbalances of society. Many individuals are stuck in a destitute track, yet to me, giving a few individuals higher educations in order to bring out of a race out of adversity seems a bit too Marcus Garvey like.</p>
<p>Individuals should be able to enter colleges on pure merit. If an african American is qualified for a school, they should be accepted. Same goes for caucasians. AA is a temporary solution. Our country must get over its putting down of minorites before everyone can be on an equal racial playing field. Until then, AA must happen... because as these individuals who were never giving their right to pursue happiness as children, growing up in lower class areas; that does not mean you deny it later in life. Give them the chance to succed in life, the chance they were denied before. </p>
<p>I was all over the place. on that post.. whatever</p>
<p>I won't get involved in this racism argument. but i believe that uni's should admit through merit. not someone's skin color. and the fact is that racial segretation/racism of the 60's is almost completely abolished now, so there really is no excuse for AA.</p>
<p>No its not man... open your eyes... it's still there. You yourself are upset that minorities are taking your spots. That in and of itself, is a bit racist at its roots. These schools you are applying to are private universities. I don't see you throwing a fit at the country clubs who only allow white males...</p>
<p>You'll get into a college... relax.</p>
<p>See my above post for more details</p>
<p>how petty can you be? the proportion of individuals that get in because of AA is very small. stop complaining about a few extra students. they are not stealing the seats of more "qualified and deserving" white people. quotas based on race are illegal nowadays. get over it. and please stop flaunting your white privilege. just beacuse things don't favor you guys for once doesn't mean that it is unjust.</p>
<p>The "excuse" of AA is that the racial segreation in the 60's is still affecting our country. You cannot deny the statistics that said minorities are more likely to not receive a higher education, which lead to low income. The kids live in a poorer area and don't receive a good education. It is a cycle. AA is trying to stop that. How effect it is? That is debatable.</p>
<p>But I think in the end AA does add to racism (both ways). We hailed MLK Jr, but we forget other civil rights leaders that were not only against discrimination but against whites in general. Racism goes both ways. People will keep pointing fingers at minorities and say that they are only successful because of the color of their skin (far-fetched). Just as people were/are pointing at women who became successful and attribute it to "special treatment". People will keep moaning and whinning that AA is not fair. AA is not suppose to be fair just as life is not fair. </p>
<p>In my opinion, colleges should focus on the socioeconomic differences and not on races even though there had been statistics have shown that there is correlation. And the country should focus on improving education and improving funding. AA is probably the cheapest way to "solve" the problem.</p>
<p>But I wonder does AA make that much of a difference? Anyone with the stats on this? I don't think it is worth it to squabble over this repeatedly. If you really want to change it, do something more than arguing on the internet.</p>
<p>By the way, I find that it is extremely ironic that the OP said "I am sick of ppl complaining about AA" but this is basically what this thread is about.</p>
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But I wonder does AA make that much of a difference?
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Yes, it does. MIT recently did a study (look it up, I'm too lazy lol) that concluded ending AA would help nobody but Asians, whose numbers would skyrocket at most schools. The knife cuts both ways.</p>
<p>Some of you continue to say that we should stop complaining about AA because it is absolutely necessary because the majority of african american students live in lower income households and dont have the same opportunities as other classes. Now this is true, im not gonna argue with that, because the facts show this. However, the facts also show that these are not the students who attend college. </p>
<p>31% of students in the south bronx, a very poor section of New York City are collegebound. Now we are talking about approx 600,000 + students that are in the public school system over there. Now in my county alone, we have 92% of students collegebound. The students from the lower income areas ARE NOT THE STUDENTS ATTENDING COLLEGE!</p>
<p>AA does not help these kids, AA helps the minorities coming areas like mine where everyone goes to college and everyone has essentially the same socioeconomic status.</p>
<p>AA has backfired. It was intended to help minorities go to college who dont have the means to achieve the scores itself. Im sure it does do this, but it probably actually allows 2% of all the students who were positively affected by it to attend college. It is an extra boost for minorities from areas like mine. AA may help people, but it is unfair to most.</p>
<p>"That was incredibly racist. All minorities who get in aren't unqualified, so no all who agree with AA do not agree with that. The fact that you assume so proves that the racisim all of you try to pretend isn't there is still alive but hiding. WoW according to your perspective no minorities should be in college. As an african-american with a 4.2 gpa and 2250 I am offended."</p>
<p>Yes, that was so racist I completely apologize for speaking my mind. You arent understanding me completely. I said SOME arent qualified so dont make ASSUMPTIONS because everyone can read what I said and I did not say that. Are you trying to say Im racist for speaking out against this? AA is good for the lower level colleges and such, but to have someone go to a top 100 U with a 3.0 and 1500 SAT and no hooks would be ridiculous. My dads boss one time was a black girl who went to a good college and when she graduated couldnt even write a report without making 4 thousand spelling and grammar mistakes. My dad says one time she tried to correct him because its pronounced "luggages" not "luggage"...or so she says lol.</p>
<p>Wow wouldnt a thousand spelling errors mean that she didnt learn much in school? which doesnt really mean that she got in because shes minority, she coulda had a great record. Maybe she just somehow passed by in school?
Getting in a good school doesn't guarantee graduation</p>
<p>both of you arent really talking about the topic</p>