<p>And of course because she has poor spelling it means she didn't deserve to get in. And of course only those allowed into a school because of AA make spelling errors. I would tell you a stories about all the people I know who make silly mistakes (including myself) but I'm afraid it would make your little world crash to pieces when you realize that (now get ready for it) white people make mistakes too. I'll make sure to check this for spelling errors just for you WoW. BTW your statement implied that those who get in through AA are the only unqualified people who get in. Also I wonder what your stats are that you feel your chances would be lessened. Only those insecure with their stats would believe that.</p>
<p>WoW4201,</p>
<p>So many logical fallacies, where to start?</p>
<p>First of all, one doesn't equal the whole. Just because this dip got through college without learning how to cross her 't's and dot her 'i's doesn't mean all won't. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Frost was a terrible speller. Him or Faulkner. Spelling isn't a definite sign of intelligence or intellectual acumen.</p>
<p>And really, if I could only introduce you to some of the incredibly stupid top-25 school students/grads I know, you'd be shocked to find that there are dumb Asians and whites.</p>
<p>UCLAri I love you.</p>
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Im sure it does do this, but it probably actually allows 2% of all the students who were positively affected by it to attend college.
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<p>I'm also sure that you made that statistic up on the spot, and have no idea what the real percentage is.</p>
<p>i didnt read the rest of the thread, but this is my input</p>
<p>white people is whats wrogn with most things in the world</p>
<p>want to end racism, sexism, and war? kill all white males
just kidding, but you get my point</p>
<p>black people, hundreds of years of slavery, have you realized that 99.999% black people dont even know thier family name because the family line goes directly to the salves of the family named "smith" or "johnson", blatant contradiciton with constitution by white people with the civl rights movement
asians, racism applies too... WWII, the us had concentration camps for anyone who looked asian... besides that not much AA applies
native americans, lets say some wierd green beings ran into your hosue, messed everything up, and then killed your mom and raped her and ate all your food, and threatened you and humiliated you in front of all your peers... AA should be white people's way of saying sorry a little</p>
<p>theres the argument that its beena while, and minorities have gotten enough help, they need to help themselves now... but minorities arent up to that level yet, there still needs more work done to make the playing ground even for everyone like the US was supposed to be from the start</p>
<p>and what about those rare minorities at some ghetto school in philly who is brilliant, but the fact that being ranked at the top of the class isnt that impressive, because of course, then again, its some ghetto school, they wont get into a great school but settle for the same school that some rich preppy kid that goes to a private school in malibu who got straight b's</p>
<p>all schools should use AA in my opinion</p>
<p>it was an estimate based on the admissions statistics of african americans.</p>
<p>Those numbers are from my statistics textbook actually...theres a nice little reading on african americans and whites who are collegebound from various socioeconomic backgrounds.</p>
<p>Again, it was actually a valid estimate.</p>
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I'm also sure that you made that statistic up on the spot, and have no idea what the real percentage is.
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Don't forget, 75% of all statistics are made up on the spot. :D</p>
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Want to end racism, sexism, and war? kill all white males
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OMG!!! <em>flees from thread</em> :p</p>
<p>"I would tell you a stories about all the people I know who make silly mistakes (including myself) but I'm afraid it would make your little world crash to pieces when you realize that "</p>
<p>wow u guys are losing the point im trying to make...that was only one of her MANY mistakes, let alone that she was an idiot. And yes she was GIVEN a degree. Did I mention that when my dad told her boss about this she claimed racism...but anyways it was just an example of AA I wasnt talking about all people accepted through AA so get off these generalizations</p>
<p>I disagree with race-based AA, but I definitely think socio-economic AA should be employed. That helps the kids who don't have the same resources as rich kids, regardless of skin color. So, all poor kids get the same benefit, instead of rich minorities in prep schools getting in just to fulfill a quota over other students who deserve the spot equally. Don't get me wrong: I'm in favor of racial diversity, but I think socio-economic diversity is just as important. As it stands, AA basically favors rich minorities, because it is a proven fact that the higher income of the parents, the higher SAT scores, etc. which occurs because kids at poor city schools just don't get the same quality of instruction as kids in richer suburbs. AA has good intentions, but it needs to be tweaked to allow the equality it is failing to create.</p>
<p>exactly my thoughts JTC007</p>
<p>I am an African-American whose parents make over 200,000 a year but I attend an urban public school in Los Angeles. So should AA apply to me?</p>
<p>Well if you are doing poorly in school, whats the reason? </p>
<p>It isnt your skin color. I dont buy that. </p>
<p>Btw, what does it being an urban school have to do with anything? Bronx Science is an urban school but its one of the best high schools in the nation.</p>
<p>urban public schools are attended by thos in low with in lower soci-economic positions. I, by the way, am not doing poorly in school. I have a 4.2 gpa and 2250 SAT yet since I don't have a a.9 and a 2400 people think I don;t deserve to get into the top colleges. I have been told by many that if I get in it is majorly a result of my race.</p>
<p>wut validity do these opinions have? Why dont you just apply?</p>
<p>Consider the following:</p>
<p>A black male and a white male are incredibly similar candidates in terms of SAT scores, grades, extracurriculars, essays and the like. The black candidate gets accepted. Now consider the fact that while the two had the same statistics it was probably more difficult for the black candidate to achieve them due to the inequalities in our society. Therefore, while the two may be similar, the black candidate has ACHIEVED more and deserves admission more so than the white candidate who already has a huge edge in life, just for being born white!</p>
<p>How can you make that kind of generalization? Sure it may be hard for some black people to do as well because of racism, but that is not true for every black person. If you live in a town where the majority of the population is black and it has the same socioeconomic groupings as a similar town with mostly whites, you didn't achieve more. Everything else held equal, you have achieved the same thing. I refuse to believe that by being white, I have a natural "edge" over others when it comes to ECs, grades, and SAT scores. I studied very hard for the SATs and try very hard in school and for my ECs. To me, it is ridiculous to say that every black person who gets the same grades as me has worked harder. The opportunities are there for everyone....no companies offer an SAT class to only white kids; there are no schools that automatically give Ds to black kids. </p>
<p>Racism is still present in today's society, I'm not saying it isn't, but there is no one making racist comments over your shoulder when you take the SAT or when you write essays....that is all up to you as an individual. I would think that, although some minorities favor AA because of the advantages it gives them, those who had the stats to get in anyways, regardless of their skin color, would hate it. If they get in, people label them as an AA-admit and attempts to discredit them.</p>
<p>AA also has the perverse effect of un-motivating minorities. One of my friends is black, and I asked her why she wasn't taking the PSAT. She said "I don't feel like it" Then I brought up that she could get automatic scholarship money and she looked at me like I was dumb and said "I'm black. I'll get money because I'm a minority". So basically what she was telling me is: I'm a minority, so I don't need to try as hard as you to get the same benefits. I would wholeheartedly support someone in a poor city school getting benefited from AA, regardless of race, but not someone who could try harder but is de-motivated by society's lowered standards for her.</p>
<p>I agree...i mean you are telling me that someone who has pigment in their skin has been through more then me because im white!!</p>
<p>Pleaseee, how can you make that generalization! So because im white, that means that living through the death of 2 close family members, having people die in my own arms in EMS, having my father diagnosed with cancer, along with my uncle after he came home from the Gulf war doesnt mean I lived through alot huh?</p>
<p>There are exceptions to everything like i have just described. You can not say that just because an individual who has the same stats as me should get in because hes black and you think because of that, he has lived a tougher life. Says who? You dont know about my life.</p>
<p>Doogie, a part doesn't always equal the whole. You keep forgetting that perhaps YOU'RE the exception to this rule.</p>
<p>And compare the average white person to the average black person, and you find that the average black person still has fewer opportunities, still gets fewer job offers, and still gets the short straw more often. It's undeniably true (study after study after study has shown this).</p>
<p>Trust me guy, i wouldnt be telling him not to make generalizations by making one myself...it was an example.</p>
<p>I did also say my example was an exception. Please read my post more carefully next time.</p>
<p>And what you said is true, but read my previous posts, you have yet to give me a correlation between these minorities that lack opportunities and them attending college. I have showed you otherwise with solid statistics. THESE ARE NOT THE MAJORITY OF INVIDIDUALS ATTENDING COLLEGE! AA is helping people who do not need it. AA needs some serious tweaking for it to accomplish the goal it was originally intended for.</p>
<p>AA for the hundreth time is racist itself! It is based on skin color, which ultimately has absolutely no relationship to opportunity. This is all statistics people. Now what does effect the opportunity of an individual is their socioeconomic status. If AA was to give opportunities to people based on their socioeconomic background and not race, it would allow for more people, no matter what their race is to have an opportunity to attend college. UCLA says that one doesnt make the whole, yes this is absolutely true. However, AA basically says this anyway. Just because 1 black person doesnt have equal opportunities at education, automatically the rest of the black population doesnt either. IT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS AND NOT RACE!</p>