Need advice please from parents of college boys.

OP I feel for you. It is really hard when they first leave, especially if you were close when they were living at home. I do think it’s normal for kids to be much less communicative when they first leave for college. They are busy and trying to build new lives and find their feet. However, that does not mean they should be rude or suddenly shift personalities. It sounds like your DS is under some stress, whether it’s from his extracurricular activity, classes, or something else.

Since you are only two hours away, could you compromise on parents’ weekend? Say that you will just come for the day to attend a couple of events and then take him to dinner? That way you are not with him all the time but will still have some time to see him in person and try to assess what’s really going on. I think it would really help to gauge where he’s at if you see him in person and dinner out is not very intrusive.

On some other points raised in this thread:

(1) When I was an undergrad many parents of upperclassmen came to parents’ weekend. It seems the same for where my DS goes to school now. We don’t go to any of the planned events, but we fly into town, take him on a Target run, see where he’s living and meet some friends, and take him to dinner. We also always end up taking a few friends whose parents couldn’t make it and they all seem appreciative.

(2) My S plays a D3 sport and there is a team parent – but only for the purpose of organizing tailgating events for the parents and for feeding the team after away games before they get on a bus/plane back to campus. They are not there to monitor the athletes!

(3) I have my son’s roommate’s number as well as his parents. They are teammates and I got to know his parents at these aforementioned tailgating events so we exchanged numbers. We text every once in a while, usually during athletic events if one of us isn’t there to watch in person. I know his roommate’s mom texted S to enlist his help in getting a birthday cake to her son last year. I don’t find this unusual. We had similar relationships with DS’s high school friends and teammates – families became friends, not just the kids.

I think @prospect1 makes some really good suggestions on next steps. If the student is a D1 athlete they can be drug tested, so that reduces the risk of a long term problem developing undetected. Also depending on the athletic financial agreement with the school, he may be forbidden from getting a job during the academic year, my son was. The team is your job. (BTW he loved that this was a condition!) Also the NCAA forbids gambling of any kind (even fantasy football), so this minimizes the risk there, but certainly doesn’t get any money spent back.

Hopefully the original poster is still thinking through options or has already packed up the car for the trip and is heading down. We all wish the family the best. After all, it is still only Sept. and I can’t imagine that anything has gotten to the point it can’t be salvaged/fixed in some way.

Just to be clear, when I suggested contacting team parent (assuming D3, not D1 sport) I was not saying the team parent should be responsible for monitoring the boy. It was meant more to get a point of contact, an athlete on the team, be it the captain or someone else, who could say that the boy is alive and well, showing up at practice, etc. I would actually be hesitant to contact a coach right away. This seemed like the next best thing.

Some great suggestions on this thread. Best of luck to the OP.

Some of the advice may not be helpful due to the specifics not revealed enough or leaps of filling in the blanks. However sounds like the too much money has been fixed.

Do you believe your son is safe and engaging in safe behaviors? What is your gut telling you? What do you know about what is going on around him? With being only two hours away, you can drop in when you believe you can not only see if he is safe, but maybe have some one-on-one time with your son and communication. Understanding between you both - adult behavior, respect, boundaries, etc.

If your son has not allowed you grade viewing and account viewing (FERPA) and you are contributing to his college costs (which clearly you are by even giving him spending money) - that is a bit tricky. One of my kids pulled our FERPA permission but did need help on accounting and communication with scholarship office - thankfully that got resolved and kept scholarship. Was being stubborn, but when I provided some money when she clearly needed it, then she realized I was trying to help her and not hassle her or talk about her grades. Her school has FERPA limit to transcript, current courses, current accounting. I still am custodian on her stock fund, which is being used for college expenses - since she is 21, I would have turned it all over to her when she declared how much she wanted to do w/o any oversight by us, except that particular account they require me to be custodian until she is 23/24 (I don’t remember which, but will have spent almost all of it by May with her degree completion). She has a medical issue, seeing a doc and having medication adjustments. Some kids have maturity in some areas and not in others - the brain is still developing in the frontal judgement stuff until late 20’s. Keeping communication two ways is helpful.

Our other student got snippy with me one night and I said “OK, when you want/need something, you can call and ask your dad because I am not going to be talked to that way” - she immediately apologized. She was tired and also said she doesn’t like emails (we were dealing with a school email).

The main reason he is at college is to be academically successful. He does not want to have a bad start academically. If he is ‘sinking’ he may need to use campus resources, get away from bad influences, etc.

Can’t go back to what went on before he left home for college. He may be having a lot of difficulty coping with the transition. There are campus resources for this. If his first term has really bad grades then he may need a break so that resources are not spent on a second term and repeat bad grades. Some kids need maturing time.

After things settle down, if you know when is a good time to call. Many times if we have something to communicate, we send a short text saying ‘call when you have a chance’. Thursday evening is good for both my kids - we actually called them both last night and they were chatty. One has only two classes on Fri and the other none.

Kids do need to find their own way, but one wants to ‘help’ w/o enabling or feeding into destructive or bad behaviors.

Different campuses handle things a little differently. One dau didn’t have time to investigate something academically, so she wanted me to find out what she needed to do, so I made some phone calls but first started with saying dau gave me FERPA permission (which they could check online) - schools are being careful to follow the laws. Dau then showed up at the offices she needed to go to and got the academic thing taken care of.

I would be extremely careful about involving a “team parent” in all this, if this is a parent with a son on the team. Last thing you want to do is paint your student athlete as a problem or a cancer on the team. If you think all team parents are discrete and helpful, you have not been around college athletics long enough. There is enormous competition for spots and playing time, and I would not trust any other player’s parent with sensitive information about my kid.

Frankly, I would not even go to the coach with this unless as a last resort; i.e., you are concerned about your son’s safety. At that point, doesn’t matter if he gets coerced/shoved off the team.

Ok. Scratch team parent idea.

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/Delco-Moms-Video-To-Son-Remember-Me-328095271.html

"In a video that’s now going viral, Ann Pinto McCarney, a Delco native, took to Facebook on Wednesday to poke fun at her son for not calling her in the three weeks he’s been away at college.

In the five-minute video, which had more than 93,000 views by Thursday afternoon, McCarney starts off grinning and waves into the camera, saying, "Do you remember me? I’m your mommy. I gave birth to you.

“Well, actually, I didn’t quite give birth,” McCarney, 46, continues. “I had to have a C-section to get you out. Big scar and hurt like hell. But that’s OK. Do you remember that was me that gave you life?”

I saw that this morning! Hysterical!

I thought I’d find the video funny but I just found it really sad. On several levels. Yikes.

I found it droll. Tongue in cheek.

When my DD went off to college, she was busy (and happy) but she was 900 miles away and I did want to hear from her. About every 5th day, I would text her and ask her to find a time for us to speak in the next two or 3 days. I let her decide when we would next speak but made it clear she had to talk to me at least once a week. I always texted before calling. Kids don’t seem to find text messages as intrusive as a phone call. This worked well for us. By her junior year, I felt I could also call her without a pre-planned day and time. Sometimes DD would initiate contact more frequently, but I found this approach worked well for us. I’m sure I’ll be needing a similar approach with DS when he goes off to college next year because he is much worse about even answering text messages (although to be fair he has gotten better in the past year).

I’m worried for both the student and parent in this thread as the behavior seems both sudden and extreme. I hope they work things out.

First, thank you for all your comments and the private messages.

My comments were too long so the other 1/2 is below.

Second, I heard from him 3x in 24 hours complaining about the cut in money. Ridiculous bs stuff like I won’t have enough money to buy gatorade during the week.

So, far I see him using his credit card to buy food on campus ( store there) which is just wasteful as he has an unlimited food plan. He can literally eat non stop - he has an option for 5 meals a day. I can see he is going to run out of his money early this week which should be a wakeup call.


“OP I forgot to make something clear when I said that S will text a letter or two (“K” for ok etc) The “texting” I am referring to is Facebook messaging.”

No FB account here.


“My mother wrote letters like that to me when I was in college. Trust me, it was the wrong way to go. Guilt is a very dangerous emotion to play with. You really don’t want the link between you to be guilt. My mother never learned this lesson, and it destroyed our relationship.”

Wow…. Thanks for sharing that. I can’t say that my parents have ever used guilt. However, I was thinking of going that route, and so I am glad you told me the flip side.


“You’ve cut down the money and now you’ll just have to wait and see if things change. Can’t you go to see him in this activity at some time during the fall? Are they competing at a school close to your home? You said his school is about 2 hours away, and that’s close enough to go down, watch, and return home in the same day.”

Honestly, I am not as interested in his activity as I am in his school work.

My husband did reach out to him via phone and asked if he could come and watch. My son said he was working on being independent, and didn’t want him to come, and yes, my husband was hurt about that.

“To the OP, not to beat up on you but you shouldve covered some of this stuff before he went to school.”

Agreed. I feel like I am in a Chem class, but have been reading the Bio book. This wasn’t an issue with my daughter. She communicated even more her freshman year due to her roommate
( who put pepper on ½ of her food during their first meal together, the first red flag there was going to be problems). And while the communication has lessened, I still hear from her during the week about a paper being due, and am updated on her grades. Although, I don’t hear that much about social, etc.

So, this was not on the horizon that I would be excluded.


“We have a son who is an upper classman in college who had been fairly high maintenance in high school – a lot of parental involvement and support. The first few weeks of freshman year, there was a wall of silence. I’m sure I pushed some boundaries and made some mistakes, but mostly we tried to give him space. I was mournful (hadn’t seen the dogs turn into cats story at the time, makes perfect sense now). Then, somewhere about 8 weeks into freshman year, he asked us all to come visit him over a weekend.”

Thanks for sharing that.


“They have the new world, and new experiences, and we are the ones looking at the empty chair at the kitchen table.”

Very poetic and sad and true.

“your childrens’ .edu accounts are not separate from your bill-payer account?”

Separate.


“Talk to the resident manager of his dorm to make sure someone has seen him and that he looks well (that is about the most I think anyone is allowed to do for you, believe it or not), and then do the uncommon thing: step back.”

I did ask for that when I was inquiring about grade access, and was also met with silence, and then transferred to the register’s office.

I wasn’t planning on calling, but I thought I should just have the number.

“When I was in college, my grades were not good my freshman and sophomore years. It was kind of a shock, becuase I was valedictorian of my high school class; but it was also liberating, because I got Cs and the world didn’t end.In those days”

But, back then, if you are my age, the economy was different.

There are less jobs and almost everything can be done for cheaper in another country today.

“So while the university will bill you and expect you to pay for your kid’s tuition and your kid can’t apply for loans in their own name because they are considered your dependent while they are in college, on the morning of their 18th birthday, they suddenly know it all and you are legally cut right off.”

Yes, ironic.

“By the way, you will not be contacted, nor will a doctor of nurse talk to you on the phone if your over-18 child is in the hospital—unless your child consents at the time, or if you have a medical power of attorney signed in advance (in case he is incapacitated). This is because of medical privacy rules of HIPAA.”

Yes, I had been asking him to respond if he went to the health services to get his last shot of an immunization ( 3 shots ), and he is not responding.
Not responding as he refuses to answer my the questions in my emails.

I did call up the school’s health services as was told they couldn’t tell me.

“Are you a native-born American? I’m sensing that maybe you’re an immigrant???”

Yes, I am a native born American. Few generations here in this country.

“How is the CC limited? Did you call and have the limit reduced? What do you mean by saying that you put $ on it? It’s a CC. What’s to stop him from charging more?”

The credit card is in his name. However, he is not the primary card owner. Therefore, I can put a limit on the credit card.

ttp://www.buzzfeed.com/pablovaldivia/18-texts-your-mom-definitely-sent-you-during-college?utm_term=.uvNOEyE4Nj#.ojMgdzB8P

Very funny.

“Also, I hope that the way you have set this up allows for saving on his part:”

I was going to do that, but in earlier posts, I was advised he wouldn’t save and just run through the money.

“My point of sharing all this is not to make excuses for your son, but to make sure that you too realize there is likely a lot going on and you may not hear everything. He may be getting pressure from all sides and rather than make him feel guilty or tell him he hurt you, just make sure he knows that he can come to you with anything. 18yr olds are not the most emotionally mature individuals and above all else make sure he knows mom and dad are his safe haven.”

Yes, I am cognizant of that. In some ways, it is not great bc he is with upperclassman.

  1. Is there a team parent? Can you get info from a team parent as far as a senior on the team who is responsible and could look out for him?
  2. Do you have any sense of whether the coach (or whoever is leading his 20-hr activity) could be helpful? I understand some would be more helpful than others.

No parent.

I reached out via email to his activity coach, just to ask a superficial question, but I wanted him to have my email in case he does want to reach out to me.

I also realize this fall during their break when he is traveling, I need to figure out if he needs more cash for food .

“You get more with honey than vinegar. He will not tell you anything if you are aggressive or accusatory. That’s not to say roll over and give him everything he wants. It’s just a matter of keeping the lines of communication open, so he can reach out if he decides to.”

Wow… my Mother in law use to say that to me all the time.

Easier said than done when you are angry.

“This situation has been going on for how long? Two weeks? Three?”

About 2 weeks since class started. He was at the school a week before it started.

“Another exception permits a school to disclose personally identifiable information from education records without consent when the disclosure is to the parents of a “dependent student” as that term is defined in Section 152 of the Internal Revenue Code. Generally, if either parent has claimed the student as a dependent on the parent’s most recent year’s income tax statement, the school may non-consensually disclose the eligible student’s education records to both parents under this exception.”
http://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/students.html

Wow… good to know.

Prospect 1 – yes, that is why I know drugs should not be involved in this story.

And yes, I can not turn off the phone as it is used this way –
use texting trees to communicate.


“I would tell son:

  1. We got off to a bad start. We didn't acknowledge your desire for some independence and you, in turn, caused us concern with excessive alcohol expenditures and no communication. Let's start over. We were not clear; we will be now.
  2. You will contact us once a week on (set some time) for a five minute phone call. The call will not last more than five minutes; we know you are busy.”

This is a very mature grownup response. I will need to read this a few times more. Frankly, I am so angry that I can’t send this.

“Has anyone seen this?”

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/national-international/Delco-Moms-Video-To-Son-Remember-Me-328095271.html

Granted maybe she should have gone on CC and had you all talk her down ( like me with my 2 page letter that I did not send), but oh… my…. This is the funniest video I have ever seen.

How to use a phone is hysterical.

Will his student ID card also work as debit card for on-campus purchases, like food, laundry, etc.

Almost every college we visited this past year said that most things on campus could be purchased with “____ dollars” or “_____ cash” that was simply money put on student’s account and they use their ID card like a debit card.
That way, he can still have money for extra food, coffees, etc. without his using the CC. And you know the money is being spent on campus. And you can limit the amount of money going on easier than with a CC.

I think it’s sadly hilarious that he wants to be independent but is having a hissy fit because mom cut off his unlimited funds.

“Oh honey, I was just showing that we heard your cry for independence. I assumed that since you wanted to be free of us, you’d have no need for our money.
Love, Mom”

Also, fwiw, I do not think it’s a drug problem like some up thread insinuated. Not be graphic, but if he blew even a fraction of that money on drugs this quickly he’d likely be dead unless he has a long-standing drug problem mom isn’t aware of.

Oh and he did unblock me, as I called him to tell him about his new $ limit and he picked up.
I haven’t called him since.

The 3 emails he sent me complaining about his lack of funds was met with a short explanation, but I did ask each time back if he had gone to the health center to get his 3rd shot ( immunization) and he has not responded at all.

I am sorta of amazed that I can respond to his emails about the $ cut, but he can’t respond to mine about an immunization shot. Actually, I am shell shocked about this. It is a simple yes or no.

I’m not amazed at all. He has been consistently unavailable to you and only interacts when he wants something or feels that he has been wronged . This boy has all of the power in the relationship and will continue to as long as he is allowed to.

I would buy a few cases of Gatorade, drive to his school and drop it off at his dorm. And send him back to school with a few more cases when he comes home for break.

OP, your son’s communication these past few weeks reminds me of my husband’s communication (past four years). It feels horrible to be at the receiving end of such behavior. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

collegemom9999: What a rough time you have had the last few weeks. I am so sorry.

Your first post was alarming to me, but then we learned the drinking wasn’t brand new, he had told you he intended to aim for Bs not As, that he is involved in an activity where someone will probably notice if something is amiss with him. I am sure if you had a concern for his safety, you would have gone to campus to check the situation out. That doesn’t seem to have been necessary.

Please go out and have some fun this weekend. When our kids left for college, my husband and I began a new hobby. That helped a whole lot.

good luck. take care.