For 2015, I am posting the stats and information posted by Dolphin in an other thread. It is a known fact the CWRU and Cleveland Clinic are collaborating in building a new medical school building that will open in 2019.
I am a current Case PPSP student. Last year, 20 students were offered admission and 14 accepted. The interview consists of an individual interview with 2 interviewers and 1 table discussions with ~10 other students. Last year, <5 students declined the interview and those spots were not filled, and declined spots from the actual program are also not filled.
I love the Case program; it gives a lot of flexibility to pursue many avenues and interests that will ultimately make the student a better doctor if they choose to take advantage of the opportunity. PPSPs receive a lot of individual advising especially since it is a smaller school, and there is so much opportunity here if they choose to take advantage- research-wise (PPSP students have an easier time finding research and other experiences b/c of the PPSP name). Also, a brand-new med school is being built that will open in 2019; it is slated to have a lot of innovative technology and more pathways for communication etc etc basically itās going to help students become the next generation of doctors and will be a beautiful innovative building.
Cleveland in general is a great place to learn and do medicine b/c itās sort of a medical capital- with Cleveland Clinic, UH, the Global Medical Innovation Center, and so many biotech and start-up medical companies. The city is extremely accessible with convenient and safe public transportation.
In short, PPSP is like a dream come true with all the opportunity it offers (a lot of students even choose to finish undergrad in 3 yrs and pursue a different, unique experience before starting med school) and itās up to the students to really take advantage of the increased flexibility and reassurance.
Yes this number is only for PPSP which is only for MDās. Although traditionally they accept 20 students, For 2016 it went up to 26 and it may have be to do with the increased medical school enrollment starting from 2020.
Yup, all med schools are increasing their overall number of enrollment as directed by the AAMC without a concomittant in increase in number of residency slots (much to my chagrin).
Hello everyone. I understand that everyone on this page was an applicant to a BS/MD program. Everyone here knows that to be accepted into a BS/MD program is a very difficult thing to do. I would just like to bring to everyoneās attention that one of the most basic requirements to even APPLY to a BS/MD program is that the student must be a US citizen or a permanent resident. Drexel Universityās BS/MD program accepted students this year who do not meet this most basic requirement and as a student applicant this year who was rejected from this program, I do not think that it is very fair. (I know this has occurred because I know one individual who will be attending Drexel/Drexelās BS/MD and is only on a visa without a green card). If anyone on this page has any opinion about this matter I would really appreciate it.
@BS/MDStudent, Iām really surprised this is the case as their website is very clear on this: http://drexel.edu/undergrad/apply/freshmen-instructions/accelerated/ - āBe a U.S. citizen or permanent resident applying for freshman admissionā. Iām not too familiar with the visa process personally (although I know what H1B and J visas are), since I was born in the United States, but are those who are not U.S. citizens or permanent residents given Social Security numbers? I know on the UMKC application they ask for a SS number. That person was on a visa with a green card and has attended high school for all 4 years in the United States?
@RayznHELL Each UG school extends offers to 5 OOS studentsā¦Totally 15 OOSā¦I got this information directly from one of the UG schoolsā¦
Regarding the six (15-9) in questionā¦They donāt include OOS candidates in the alternate/waiting listā¦So I am assuming six OOS kids did not accept the offer and hence their seats might also have gone to the in-state candidates in the alternate listā¦It is fairā¦After all NEOMED program was setup to serve the NEO region and funded by the Stateā¦
OOS students should be happy that they get 15 BS/MD offers from NEOMED, which is more than most BS/MD programs extendā¦
@BS/MDStudent/@Roentgenā¦All universities check the immigration status thru SSNā¦In fact most high schools are starting to check the sameā¦So it is hard to believeā¦ but since you have firsthand information I am puzzled tooā¦It might be a loophole, if there is oneā¦
Trying to parse through the application processā¦it might be possible for someone to escape scrutiny if they donāt opt for financial aid/scholarshipā¦even then it is a longshotā¦
Sorry you did not get inā¦Good luck with whatever you are doingā¦
@starocks, you have refused to acknowledge what I have been saying about NEOMED. It may be the best localized BS/MD program in the country. But, if you are not from Ohio, the odds are against you. It should not be listed in the Top 25 National Programs list without an asterisk explaining the State of Ohio Resident preference.
@Roentgen If the individual has a green card, they are considered a permanent resident. However, the individual that I know does not have a green card though they have attended high school in the US for 4 years.
@starocks How do you know that they check through SSN? Also, in a lot of applications, especially through Commonapp, it is not required for you to provide your SSN. You only need to provide it if you are applying for financial aid, which this individual could have easily avoided. It is only a drop down menu where you choose your citizenship status, something that can easily be lied about. Furthermore, there is no where on any application that it requires proof of your citizenship such as documentation. For something like BS/MD programs, there should be a system of checking documentation especially with the number of immigrants who are coming to American universities. BS/MD programs are highly sought after and it is unfair to all those who applied that this individual fraudulently took away another personās seat in the program.
I know for a fact that this individual is not a US citizen or a permanent resident. They were born in another country and then moved here on an H1 visa and have not applied for a green card yet (which is a process that takes 5 years).
@BS/MD Student: let it go. It is impossible to hide visa status so whatever the condition is for this personās admittance - it will not change your admittance status. Use this forum and the advice of the many wise people on here to develop a plan for your future.
Immigration status discussion point:
Varies from program to program. But in general pretty much all the programs you need to be US citizen or Permanent Resident (aka Green Card - GC). Few programs allows Canadian citizens also. But few programs clearly stated that though a person can apply (almost 1 year before the actual start date of freshman) when their current status is not eligible, as long as they anticipate and will have the GC at the time of start of the college. So there is a possibility this candidate you are referring may be in this situation. We can not and should not conclude on any thing with out knowing all the facts. Anyhow, let us move on.
NEOMED discussion point: Every one has their own perspective and every one can agree or disagree on others view points. From one person point of view, if a program is not open for all states, it is not worthy to be considered the top NATIONAL 25 program. I agree, but you may disagree, and that is fine. Also to my understanding, NEOMED always had only 3 students allowed (out of 105) for OOS. But in the last few years, it has gone up to 9-15. They indeed maintain waiting list for OOS students also (separate list from IS). My D was in waiting list this year as OOS for NEOMED. Each program can decide what their charter or vision. There is nothing wrong, and NEOMED has their criteria, right or wrong. For the matter, except for Uof Houston, entire Texas is shut out for OOS and pretty much Texas students have a wonderful opportunity if they are interested in BS/MD path.
In general the more open and competitive, the quality of the program will improve. Of course, at the same time, there is a need to draw a line in terms of whether it should be allowed only for US students or only for in state students or only for certain region of the state (in the case of NEO). In fact there is a thread this year on squabbling on why NEOMED taking students from non NEO area. When I attended the talk in Akron for NEOMED interview, the Profs and Dean of the program stated some of the students are struggling to maintain the UG GPA and not able to move to MD in 2 years and hence some changes are coming in the future years to 7 or 8 year program. That is the testimony for accepting students with narrow focused vision. The difference between Texas programs and NEOMED is, Texas programs allows limited students (what ever the numbers 5 to 30 or 40) so still you will get a higher quality yield in such a big state. But in NEOMED the number of seats are close to 100 for such a small state and hence the quality of yield naturally will go down (disclaimer: I am not stating anything negative about Ohio or the people of Ohio). So it is going to benefit more, if people are lobbing NEOMED should take more students from North East Ohio. Even UMKC, though 100+ seats it has 3 groups, IS, Regional States and OOS and that helps to get wider net of students to have a better quality yield.
Lot of H-1 visa holders are eligible for work permit after their cleared the initial stages of permanent resident (GC) process. Even though they are not technically permanent residents, they are considered as one for employment (in all states) and education purposes (in some states).
Since college plus medical school would be very expensive, I am wondering if any current or accepted students or parents can give some info on how much merit based scholarships your program normally awarded ? How to apply for those scholarships? Many thanks.
@dodofd, if your D becomes an NMF Oklahoma University gives almost a free ride undergrad and first year of Med School tuition free in its MHSP 8-year BA/MD Program.
Doesnāt it really depend on what merit scholarships are made available at the undergrad level? For example, SUNY Stony Brook provides merit scholarships to those accepted into their Honors program (which the BS/MD program falls under), and Univ. of Pitt provides similar merit scholarships. While I havenāt seen any merit scholarships provided at the MD level for these BS/MD programs, it appears that many are available depending on the undergraduate merit scholarship program. That being said, itās not entirely clear to me whether students being accepted into the BS/MD program would be given such merit scholarships since the carrot to come to the undergrad is the program itself, thus no need for further enticement in the form for merit scholarships.
@ThinkOn, in general it is usually harder to find huge scholarships at the MD level although there are schools that definitely do give sizable scholarships but this is usually at the traditional application level, not the combined program level - since as you said the enticement of an assured program is enough. For Case PPSP, if you want merit scholarships at the med school level, you have to take the MCAT, and even then you have to achieve a score to continue in the program, so that usually scares enough people in itself to not take the MCAT.
What a student will get for merit scholarship has no bearing to whether you apply only to UG or BA/MD program.
You get merit scholarship only if the school is not need-based. All the 8 Ivy and top schools in general are need-based. So you will not get merit $ from all Ivy, MIT, NW, Stanford, Caltech, NotreDame, etc.,
Even if the school is not need based, the higher ranking, the lessor chances because of more qualified students competing for the same pie and also the number of awards are limited. Though Duke, WashU, Rice, Vanderbilt, Uof Chicago has merit awards, they are limited and also the awards for any majors, so the chances are very limited.
Once you are out of the top 20, invariably you will get some merit aid from schools like Uof Rochester, Case, USC, UNC, UofM, Boston, RPI. But it is not going to be full tuition but it will be like $20-30k / year.
Then comes school outside top 40 or so, which gives decent merit award based on academics close to 100% tuition. Uof Pittsburg, Baylor etc.,
Fortunately still some schools participate in in the National Merit Scholarship (NMSC), and give full tuition. NJIT, Nebraska 99, Oklahoma 106, Arizona 121, Kentucky 129, UT Dallas 145, Alabama 149,, Ole Miss 149, Houston 189
Students need to be National Semi-finalist.