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You have limited exposure–if ANY–to actual Penn students and alumni, yet you opine as if an expert on the Penn undergraduate experience.</p>
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Which proves my point. You have absolutely no empirical evidence of any statistical significance on which to base such a sweeping and outrageous generalization, but that never seems to stop you.</p>
<p>You’re at the bottom of a very deep hole, yet you continue to dig yourself even deeper. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Going to college should be very good for you, PrincetonDreams. You’ll learn how to construct a logical argument.</p>
<p>BOOM, got’em.</p>
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<p>I’d check your facts. I’m a college freshman, class of 2015 (famously known as Penn15: the hardest class in history). </p>
<p>At the mandatory student meetings during New Student Orientation, the Dean of Admissions, Eric Furda, announced to the entirety of the school that the COLLEGE had the highest average salary over a lifetime, NOT Wharton students. </p>
<p>Forget the preconceived notion that graduating from Wharton will make you a CEO. Soem of them do make a lot of money, but many Whartonites end up as cube monkeys.</p>
<p>Is Eric Furda lying now as well to make Penn CAS students feel better? It’s not as if money defines happiness anyway-it’s Penn’s academic departments ranging from English to Math to History that make it a top 15 American research university and not Wharton.</p>
<p>Unicornsarereal:</p>
<p>Did Eric Furda really talk about lifetime salary earnings to a group of incoming freshmen? That seems like such a crass thing to do so early - these freshmen haven’t even started college yet.</p>
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<p>I went to all of the mandatory events and don’t remember anything of this nature. Also, Dean Furda would never say such a thing. If you were part of the Admission Dean’s Advisory Board, you’d know that he promotes the one-university policy better than most administrators. </p>
<p>That said, I suppose it is plausible that, on average, College grads earn more. College grads go off to Medical School, Dental School, Law School, all very high-paying professions, in much higher numbers than Wharton undergrads. However, the opposite could also be very true. Personally, I’ve found no difference in networking with either Wharton undergrads or College grad alumni. In most cases, the distinction isn’t even a passing thought in the conversation. </p>
<p>Interestingly, I’ve found quite a few Wharton MBA alumni who are less hesitant to help though. </p>
<p>There is a bottled-up rivalry on campus though, which I personally find extremely annoying. For instance, this is all the rage on Facebook right now: [#whatshouldwecallpenn</a> | WHEN THE COLLEGE KID IN A WHARTON GROUP PROJECT CHIMES IN](<a href=“Tumblr”>Tumblr)</p>
<p>^ A good-natured inter-school rivalry has been present at Penn for *centuries<a href=“literally”>/i</a>. It was there when I attended Penn in the 1970s, and I remember hearing from an alum who attended in the 1930s that the Wharton and College kids jeered each other–in a humorous, good-natured way–when the names of their schools were called out at his graduation.</p>
<p>It’s a Penn tradition, it’s all in good fun, and it shouldn’t be taken too seriously (just like the web site to which you linked).</p>
<p>Mask & Wig has been making fun of Penn’s schools and their respective stereotypes since 1889.</p>
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<li>I have no idea who makes the most money over a lifetime, nor would I claim such knowledge. I do know that one year out of Penn, Wharton salaries are about 20% higher than College salaries, and I know that’s because many College graduates are doing temporary jobs (1-2 year stints) before applying to graduate or professional school. Ten years out, I’d imagine that the median salary is about the same.</li>
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<p>Making a lot of money usually involves being a cube monkey for quite a while.</p>
<p>unicornsarereal: Why was the class of 2015 known as the hardest class in history?</p>
<p>^LOL Penn15 my friend made a fb post about that when he got in last year haha 
anyways, i read something about elitist wharton kids wearing suits and stuff on a regular basis so i just wanted to dispel that. wearing suits to class is usually more of a necessity due to tight scheduling during internship and job offer recruiting seasons. kids often skip classes or reschedule finals with professors to interview with top companies, and when you’ve got a couple of interviews a day in the peak of the season, it’s a lot easier just to wear your suit the whole day.</p>
<p>Wharton is great, but over-rated. Not in the sense that it isn’t as good as people say it is, but in the sense that Penn has SO MUCH to offer in other fields. Wharton may seem like it overshadows the University at times, but just take a walk around HUP, CHOP, and all the other research facilities in that area, and you’ll realize that Penn also has something just as great as Wharton hidden over there – top-notch research facilities, a #2 ranked medical school, a #1 ranked nursing school, a top-ten hospital, etc. If you take a walk down Sansom, you’ll come across our wonderful law school. This could go on and on. Wharton is a self-fulfilling prophecy at times – people convince themselves that it dominates the University when it really doesn’t. Penn is strong is so many fields besides business.</p>
<p>PrincetonDreams is absolutely correct. The wharton kids totally dominate the social and cultural landscape of Penn. The college kids are looked down upon, and the inferiority complex is staggering. Most college students were dinged at all the other ivies except cornell and had to go to Penn as a last choice. And once they arrive at campus, all they hear about is how awesome wharton is, and many of them end up wanting to transfer. </p>
<p>Unlike other schools, the hierarchy at Penn is institutionalized by separate schools. Wharton students have their own t-shirts and tell people that they attend wharton, not Penn, since people think penn is a big state school. Most of my non-wharton penn friends still feel very inadequate about telling people where they attended college. </p>
<p>If Penn is the best school you get into, then go for it. But unless you’re in wharton, it’s not really worth it. Brown, dartmouth, columbia, duke, and of course HYPS, are all vastly superior to penn’s college of arts and sciences.</p>
<p>^ Ignore Arbitrageur. He/she is an anti-Penn ■■■■■ who only comes into this forum to spread ridiculous and baseless anti-Penn venom, and to start anti-Penn threads that are nothing more than flame:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pennsylvania/1340069-penns-gaming-us-news-rankings.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pennsylvania/1340069-penns-gaming-us-news-rankings.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pennsylvania/1253940-inferiority-complex-non-wharton-penn.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pennsylvania/1253940-inferiority-complex-non-wharton-penn.html</a></p>
<p>Jealousy is the best compliment. Those ■■■■■■ are jealous.</p>
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<p>In addition, they are required to wear suits making presentations in Management 101. At least, that was required when my son was there.</p>
<p>My background: I recently finished my freshman year in M&T.</p>
<p>Wow, I just read this entire thread, and all I can say is that if anybody actually thinks that there’s a social structure at Penn based on school, they don’t get out much.</p>
<p>The only social structure I’ve ever noticed is based on Greek life, and that’s gotta be universally true at any university you visit. (I could link to the Crimson article about how final clubs dominate the social scene at Harvard, and it woud still prove my point.)</p>
<p>Why do students who get into Wharton wear Wharton shirts? Because they’re happy about getting into Wharton, and they’re na</p>
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This assumes that the person making that allegation actually goes or went to Penn.</p>
<p>It’s pretty clear that anyone making that allegation has absolutely no personal knowledge of or experience with undergraduate life at Penn.</p>