<p>Okay. I guess yahoos are found everywhere.</p>
<p>Yes, they were words, Bay, but a terrible incident, nonetheless.</p>
<p>^Again, it is a matter of perspective. How much do you value free speech?</p>
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<p>There’s an old saying that the extent of one’s rights ends at the tip of someone else’s nose. </p>
<p>Do you condone threatening speech? Because that’s how “speech” exercised by those fraternity members were perceived by others…especially women using that center. </p>
<p>Some would also argue it creates a hostile campus environment for those targeted by such speech…and I’m not sure such speech would be considered acceptable under some interpretations of sexual harassment laws in the workplace or educational institutions.</p>
<p>Wow, Bay. I wasnt sure if you were male or female but now I will be shocked to find out you are a woman. </p>
<p>To think this is acceptable because it’s free speech! I’m blown away. As a woman, hearing about it, I got chills. It makes me want to throw up. Sure, it’s legal, but acceptable behavior, absolutely not. Behavior doesn’t have to be illegal to be punishable. And it doesn’t have to be illegal for it to be deemed reprehensible.</p>
<p>All three of my kids went (go) to Greek intnsive schools. Neither of my d’s joined a sorority. My S did join a frat. It was great for him. He would probably say it was his best experiece.</p>
<p>The frat experience was good for my son. It helped him.</p>
<p>Girls had to go to class and sit next to boys who thought it was a good idea to taunt them with anal rape. </p>
<p>All in good fun, right?</p>
<p>Are you really debating this, Bay?</p>
<p>A lot of stuff that happens seems shocking at first, but when you think about it for awhile, it often makes sense or turns out to be benign when you put it in context. I encourage you to keep an open mind because it will make your life less stressful in the long run.</p>
<p>Yes, I am a woman, and I have decided to not be easily offended.</p>
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<p>^True, but that is because ACCecil insulted my offspring. I don’t care what he thinks about me. :)</p>
<p>Hmmm. Okay, for fun, I will continue. What if your daughter was at Yale listening to those frat boys?</p>
<p>What if my daughter is at Yale, and knows those frat boys? :)</p>
<p>Well if it doesn’t bother her, it doesn’t bother you?</p>
<p>Correct. To me, that is the real litmus test.</p>
<p>And the other girls don’t matter a whit?</p>
<p>Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If some women feel threatened, then they should pursue whatever remedy they feel is appropriate. That does not mean that everyone must feel shocked and offended by what took place.</p>
<p>So do you think Yale should have supported the fraternity or the women in this case?</p>
<p>I think they should have supported both parties.</p>
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<p>Do you tell your son the Deke behavior is okay? Did you find this incident as humorous as the sheep & peanut butter incident? </p>
<p>What did your husband think, and say, to your daughter(s) and son(s) about the Yale scandal?</p>
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<p>I think Bay’s point is that the behavior at Yale, while not socially acceptable, was no doubt free speech. I don’t like that people burn bibles (and I would consider myself a spiritual person, no a religious person) or the American flag, but the fact is they are protected by free speech. I don’t think people should get in the face of a police officer and shout F-You, but the supreme court has ruled that it is protected and in itself, not an arrest able offense.</p>