<p>It is not too late, there is always next year.</p>
<p>correct -- too late for this year, but not for next-- i hope you will contact your legislators accordingly and encourage anyone else you know to do the same. next year, patterson wants the state to keep 80% of the increase, but i think even giving the sunys the extra 10% is dependent upon certain state budget goals being met.</p>
<p>(isn't it nice when you can eventually reach agreement? ;) )</p>
<p>I am here, I dont think we agree. and your condescending "if people had bothered to contact" - I think the economy has made many people, both is and OOs turn to public schools.</p>
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<p>that is absolutely correct -- and i would assume that would be combined with a concern for the financial health of the the public schools so that they can continue to carry out their important educational mission with quality. and personally, i think that should include contacting government officials when they cut the budget and raise tuition so that they can take the overwhelming majority of the increase for the state and not the colleges.</p>
<p>i am sorry if you find that condescending -- i greatly value the education that binghamton and the other sunys have to offer and it frightens me that their ability to continue to offer a quality education may be seriously threatened without people even being aware of what the state is doing -- ie raising tuition so that the state can pocket the money without channeling it back into the sunys. </p>
<p>maybe you still just don't appreciate the magnitude of the issue. you are very focused on the oss issue. that is your prerogative. if i haven't convinced you, i hope i have convinced others reading this of the importance of the tuition issue and that they will express their concern to their legislators that in the future more of this money should be returned to the sunys -- otherwise, the educational value in- or out- of staters find in a few years simply may not be as great. which will be particularly sad since many will still be driven to the sunys due to their own economic situations.</p>
<p>Iamhere -- I am concerned with both the financial stability of the state and of the SUNYs. As to "ie raising tuition so that the state can pocket the money without channeling it back into the sunys." -- the state provides much support to the SUNYs, including capital costs, etc. To look at the marginal tuition raise in a vaccuum is unfair to taxpayers. If SUNY admin are not fair with residents, they have only themselves to blame when the state legislature has to look out for residents/taxpayer.</p>
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<p>are you saying that the legislature is looking out for the residents by cutting the suny budget because of suny admissions policies? will it somehow benefit the state of ny that its public colleges drop in quality from a decline in funding?</p>
<p>the following is from SUNY Binghamton President DeFleur:</p>
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The University is currently implementing $6.5 million in reductions in state support for 2008-09. This week, the New York State Legislature passed the deficit reduction budget for 2008-09 that will apply this spring’s tuition increase to the state’s general fund. As we look ahead, there are additional budget cuts proposed for 2009-10.
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Governor Paterson and the legislature are beginning consideration of the 2009-10 budget. Please voice your concerns about additional proposed budget reductions for SUNY. I urge you to write to your state senator and assembly member as well as Governor Paterson, Senate Majority Leader Malcolm Smith and Assembly Leader Sheldon Silver about the negative impact these reductions will have on students and the University.
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<a href="http://think.binghamton.edu/%5B/url%5D">http://think.binghamton.edu/</a></p>
<p>don't look at the tuition increase being kept by the state in a vacuum. IN ADDITION to keeping that money, the state is imposing serious budget cuts!!! to raise tuition without allowing that increase to ameliorate the impact of the budget cuts is adding insult to injury, in my opinion.</p>
<p>i think this exchange has reached the point where nothing is being accomplished -- i have said what i need to say for the benefit of others reading this thread. and it is clear i am making no impression on you.</p>
<p>removing duplicate post</p>
<p>While the state is instituting budget cuts, it is still funding SUNYs. My guess, and will look for data, is that funding is increasing, just not at the rate you would like. </p>
<p>I am saying that if the SUNYs want the taxpayers to help, they have to be fair to state residents. No other states give aways bargains to OOS and gives them easier admittance.</p>
<p>re state budget cuts -- testimony during budget hearings describing the budget CUTS that SUNY had already been dealing with:</p>
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Since the beginning of the current fiscal year, April 2008, the University has absorbed $203 million in state support reductions, along with an additional $40 million in state support and Medicaid reductions to the three SUNY hospitals, from the enacted state budget levels. These reductions have been instituted at the campus and System levels.
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<p>testimony of John O’Connor, Vice Chancellor and Secretary of SUNY.</p>
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In this fiscal year, SUNY has endured more than $210 million in spending cuts. These cuts, representing more than 10% of state operating support, threaten SUNY’s capacity to discharge its core mission and to meet the needs of New York’s citizens and the state itself.
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I am sure you are also aware that the Division of Budget has proposed taking away, in reduced state operating aid, almost all the funds represented by the tuition increase. DOB intends to take 90% ($68.5 million) this year’s tuition revenue, and 80% ($63.6 million) of next year’s tuition revenue. Instead of tuition being used for campus-based educational purposes, a nearly equivalent sum would end up being swept into the state’s general fund to reduce the state’s deficit.</p>
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testimony of Carl Hayden, Chairman of the SUNY Board of Trustees (prior to the finalization of the budget which did in fact keep the tuition increases as described above)</p>
<p>So the state support is reduced to 8.4 billion. Please stop ignoring the big picture, that the state does provide substantial support, some of which is going to out of state students. </p>
<p>Budget Highlights</p>
<p>The Executive Budget recommends $8.4 billion All Funds ($2.8 billion
General Fund and $5.6 billion Other Funds) for the State University of
New York.</p>
<p>i think it is a tautology to say that a state university system receives significant state funding.</p>
<p>the big picture for the sunys is that they are going to have to try to educate their students (at a time when demand for that education is skyrocketing) with LESS of that state money. and i cannot understand how anyone can ignore that basic fact.</p>
<p>But wont they still be getting more money than the year before? You seem to have all the numbers.</p>
<p>I have a question unrelated to the previous discussion but..</p>
<p>When do you think we'll find out? I know the letter said March but will it be all at the same time like EA was or rolling throughout the month?</p>
<p>Funny you asked. I just got an email back from a counseolor claiming that decisions will be sent out on a rolling basis from March 1st to April 1st. Somehow, I still think it will be more towards the end of March.</p>
<p>i called and they said they will mail them out on april 1st. Can't confrim 100% though.</p>
<p>sean: yea i figured it would be about then. i also read in another post that it's mid to end of march. i just wish they would give us a better idea of when =/</p>
<p>and getsis, ON april first? are you sure because the letter says we're supposed to get them before april 1st..</p>
<p>Any deferrals receive their acceptance letter yet????</p>
<p>Still waiting.</p>
<p>i had heard that none of the deferrals had gotten an admission decision yet, has anyone gotten a letter or email yet?</p>
<p>In my son's schools about 200-300 kids apply (1 of NYCs best publics high schools). Usually around 2/3 get in. This year most applied EA and most were deferred. Just a handful were accepted EA. Many still haven't heard, including my son, but of the ones that have, there's a mix of acceptances and rejections.</p>