<p>Many nice guys tend to be passive/pretty lame in physical relationships, which is undesirable to many girls, and keeps nice guys in friend territory.</p>
<p>not all girls are looking for physical relationships though. I mean, while high school guys only think about sex, some girls think about sex, but some want intellectual stimulation.</p>
<p>i don't understand that at all. my close friend wanted to be more than friends last year, and i turned him down because i wasn't attracted to him. (please note that i didn't say "because he's unattractive"... he's not, it just didn't work for me.) i definitely didn't turn him down because he was "too nice". i don't know, unless the guy is a complete tool, i guess i just don't see how that would be an issue.</p>
<p>edit: this what in reply to hotpiece's other post, in case that wasn't clear. i didn't see some of the new ones before posting.</p>
<p>I didn't say sex, I said physical relationship. Isn't the difference between dating/hooking-up and friendship a physical attraction?</p>
<p>Someone mentioned something about confidence. Confidence is very attractive in a guy; and if a "jerk" is (strangely) confident in being so, then that can be attractive. However, a lot of the time a jerk is behaving that way to cover up insecurities, lack of confidence, etc. Therefore it comes off as purely stupid.
Another thing, is some girls are really desperate idiots. So they'll take anything...</p>
<p>Yea dude, getting pootang ain't different whether it's a physical relationship or sex you want. You still have to be active and assertive.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the girls than are relocated into the friend zone are usually the kinder, more intellectual, less sexual ones. You realize their worth and you don't want a physical relationship anymore. I feel that all the girls I've truly cared about I had purposely made into friends, toning sexuality down to a minimum.</p>
<p>thisyear, he was nice to the point were he let people (including me one time) walk all over him. he wasn't assertive/confident enough. </p>
<p>oh, and spanks: another difference between dating/hooking-up and friendship can be opportunity.</p>
<p>Uhh Spanks, what happened to emotional attachment???</p>
<p>Not every guy wants to bang his female ex-friend right off the bat...</p>
<p>Sex is not the bridge between friendship and a relationship darling.;)</p>
<p>I don't get how being intellectual and being a sexual person can't go together. I think some of these generalizations are way off.</p>
<p>I didn't say sex, sweetie. I said physical relationship. Is making out with someone not physical? On Long Island hooking up means kissing, not having sex with.</p>
<p>sorry, i tried not to make too many generalizations. thats why i said "some girls" and not "all girls"</p>
<p>but i'm not going to lie, i think about sex, but i'm also an intellectual girl.</p>
<p>sorry about the misunderstanding spanks, where i live hooking up generally entails having sex.</p>
<p>hotpiece, that makes sense, yeah. if a guy (or girl, for that matter) is too subservient it's usually a sign of low self-confidence, and it's easy to get stuck in the role of makeshift therapist. (happened to me--can you tell?)</p>
<p>Oh god, thisyearsgirl, me too. I find that some nice guys are really emotionally needy.</p>
<p>I think someone mentioned this before, but girls who are even semi-popular with boys seriously appreciate the "hard to get" factor. And to pull that off, you have to be really confident. The problem I find with boys is that often the confidence is over the top to the point of arrogance. But some girls seem to like that and really relish in the challenge.</p>
<p>"Come on baby...you love me don't you? Say it again. Oh oh oh, and how come you havent been answering my phone calls? I left 10 messages!"</p>
<p>Is it me, or are hot and intelligent girls usually horny(no offensive connotation)??? I guess hotpiece can answer this question cuz I know she's both.;)</p>
<p>"Did you take me out of your profile?!"</p>
<p>Evil Asian Doctor...maybe they're just more open about it.</p>
<p>gotcha gotcha gotcha</p>
<p>i see the same advice all throughout this thread:</p>
<p>not assertion. nor subservience. but confidence</p>
<p>oh, wow evilasian. so reminiscent of Harvard thread. um, to answer your question, i really have no idea about other girls, but me on the other hand, i guess you could maybe say that...</p>
<p>and spanks is right, i really voice my feelings about everything, including sex. so maybe i'm just more vocal about my "desires"</p>
<p>As a guy myself, I HAVE NEVER MET a guy who is intelligent, confident, good-looking, AND NOT arrogant</p>
<p>Those kind of guys don't exist ladies!!!!</p>
<p>Besides...</p>
<p>Women want men of power; therefore, it pays off to be intelligent ultimately if you're a guy. Just ask Donald Trump's high school buddies!!!!:p</p>
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