<p>i don't particularly. It's gross to kiss someone who's just smoked. And it's no fun if your boyfriend like... dies of cancer.</p>
<p>^ smoking.. is eh. Kissing them would not be too pleasant (and bad breath)</p>
<p>Sorry, the ladder theory is too guyish. It is obviously written up by a guy, most likely a bitter one or it's a lame attempt at satire.</p>
<p>Relationships at our age are constrained by time and space. People our age are too busy thinking about trips to Europe and volunteer missions to Africa and road trips across the country to think about relationships. No time when you have to catch the next flight to Africa to help out the people in the Congo so you can put that on your Law School Application. Too much space in between you and your significant other to develop any sort of intimacy. Even for the most homely person, the chances of you getting together with someone from out of town is pretty high. </p>
<p>That's why I think one night stands and friends with benefits are now more common than ever, not that it's a bad thing, it's just the trend. Because of this, nice guys lose out as they lack the flash of the many types of Alpha Males out there to snag that hot girl right away.</p>
<p>You basically cant be too nice and too much like an *******, but u also have to look good well in my opinion.</p>
<p>Actually, I have to say, this ladder theory thing is surprisingly accurate. Yes, it was clearly written by a -possibly bitter- male, but he seems to have quite a lot of insight into what women want. The truth is, we do care a hell of a lot about money/career and looks. Guys on the other hand could care less if a girl worked in a sheet metal factory, if she's hot and pursuable that's all that matters. Anyway, I think people should take a closer look at the website, it's interesting.</p>
<p>I think that girls will go for the Alpha Males more than your typical nice guy</p>
<p>Also i believe that girls will go for a jerk or a badass more than a nice guy because nice guys will constantly give in and do whatever a girl wants and I think girls find this unattractive. As far as the ladder theory, in my point of view is correct because girls are attracted to money,power,fame,looks and exlusivity.</p>
<p>For ex. do you think Donald Trump will be having sex or dating supermodels if he wasn't rich?</p>
<p>oh Icrisis, </p>
<p>How I was awaiting someone to bring up the bitter post. As you can probably tell, I have fully read that website. Your critique has been answered.</p>
<p>From the author:</p>
<p>"Criticism: You're just bitter.
Answer: Maybe I am. But ladder theory made me that way, my bitterness did not make ladder theory. Attack the theory, not the person behind it. And why does everyone always say I'm bitter just because 99.999% of chicks are *****es?</p>
<p>Criticism: I have lots of male friends who would never think of me that way blah blah blah.
Answer: Your friend doesn't find you attractive, or he's currently doing better, or he's gay or you're wrong.</p>
<p>Criticism: That's not true
Answer: Yes it is."</p>
<p>And</p>
<p>"Q: Are you serious or is this just satire?
A: Nothing is just satire."</p>
<p>This is why I'm starting to take a stance of avoiding talking to guys in general as much as possible, avoiding being around them, etc...because they tend to take the stance of "well she doesn't want to **** me, so there's no point in talking to her at all". It's kind of a shame because I've met lots of people that would make nice friends and there are very few girls in my major and my classes anyway, so I have far more opportunities for making guy friends than girl friends, but I'm tired of viewing as an object to be won instead of an actual person.</p>
<p>As far as caring a lot about money and career and supposedly not caring about other things like intelligence, responsiblity, stability, etc...don't you think that one is indicative of the other? A neurotic dumbass isn't likely to ever have a stable, promising career or make a whole lot of money, but someone who's smart and responsible and all those other things that girls don't actually want according to this guy's website will. He's either an idiot or bad at satire.</p>
<p>blah, </p>
<p>you seem to miss the point. theres nothing wrong with a guy being friends with a girl as long as neither of them want to get it on with each other. but in the end, when 1 person wants to have something more than friendship, the relationship eventually gets destroyed...which is why in that situation, guys and girls cannot be friends.</p>
<p>as for your 2nd point, one can be rich without a sense of humor (obvious), one can be rich and not be intelligent (inheritance). The shrewdest businessmen tend to not be the most sensitive people. And everyone and anyone can have some sort of emotional stability problem. The author even admits that there are cases that women DO want this stuff, which is why he included it.</p>
<p>But your esteemed website author first states that all men pretty much want to have sex with any woman they come across, unless the woman is somehow physically deformed or the man is gay. And then he says oh a man and a woman can be friends if one doesn't want to have sex with the other, which he has just previously stated is not going to happen in 99.9% of situations. No, I did not miss the point. </p>
<p>He also seems to be rather confused about whether he wants to talk about women's wants from a relationship when they're adults and looking for marriage (money, career, stability, etc.) and when they're high school/college age and don't care about those things. Obviously both don't happen at once. Maybe someday he'll be introduced to the concept of "maturity".</p>
<p>I basically want a guy who's going to be really nice to me, loyal to his friends, nice our families, etc, but really masculine, confident, and takes charge. I have yet to find a guy like this but haha coincidentally I'm reading The Lords of Discipline and the character 'Pig' seems to be what I'm looking for. lol. </p>
<p>I'm pretty picky with guys but the ladder theory is somewhat accurate for me most of the time. However, I was seeing a guy who had the money/power, and was pretty good-looking, but wasn't a very nice person in general, and he didn't make me laugh but was more serious. I broke it off because I do actually want someone who's going to treat me really well, and the ability to make me laugh is pretty important.</p>
<p>So basically, yes I do want a guy who's going to treat me really well. I just want him to be the (somewhat) dominant one in the relationship and not be overly nice to everyone and anyone.</p>
<p>Jags: very good find. I read the theory and think it's quite insightful. The whole thing is actually very simply, people analyze too much.</p>
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<p>Speak for yourself. :)</p>
<p>Actually I think the ladder theory speaks for half of the women in general. Because, believe it or not there are truly women who say and mean they want nice guys. However in the hoods of America, like Baltimore (where I used to stay) you wouldnt be able to get a girl to even look at you unless you said something derogatory to her or plainly stated that you wanted to sleep with her. Its sad but true. Im proud to say that I can be both nice and bad, its all in me. The ladder theory is right in a way but I think he largely underrates the sense of humor factor, its mad important in all aspects. I know when I can make a girl laugh constantly she will end up diggin me, its actually almost my barometer on how much or little she is feelin me. But different things work for different people. Look, the only person in the world who truly knows the answer to the "nice" question is... Alex Hitchins aka Hitch. He works miracles</p>
<p>My experience-based opinion is that girls who go for nice guys are rare but existent. Nice guys represent stability, sense, sensitivity, and maturity. Hang on, but aren't those desirable qualities in a guy? Thinking that is the critical mistake. They're not always desirable. This is because sometimes girls are just seeking excitement, and stable, sensible, sensitive, mature guys lack excitement. Their normality and reliability makes them boring.</p>
<p>Girls are weird, yes. But they are our only hope for the propagation of the species, so we guys have to deal with it.</p>
<p>interesting link indeed.</p>
<p>Wow, according to this stupid scale, I'll have to be a virgin for the resto of my life. :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
I THINK IM GONNA CRY!!!
Anyone with me, or am I gonna be the only one sinking?
Anyone?
Please?
Aw shucks. Everybody hates me. :(
<em>cuts arm</em></p>
<p>You go out with bad boys. You marry a nice guy.</p>
<p>Edit- To avoid confusion, I'm a he. This is a saying others have surely heard.</p>
<p>'You marry a nice guy' Ye, but when? 40? While we suffer the pains and hu,iliation of being a 40-year-virgin while all the slackers from HS live the high life? No fair! Me want the reset button so that I can be a lowlife, no-good guy who shaves his buttocks with whipped cream has a I <3 Mom tatoo on his right cheek (both cheeks, face and buttocks) and treats everyone like a d!ckwad. Oh well, the dulls of being a nice person...</p>