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See I always figure that people didn't actually change when they get to college, they just got more opportunities to display their true personality. So if you've got typical party girl slut at your high school....well, she can't get to too many parties because of her parents and she can't be too slutty because there just aren't enough of the right type of guys at the school. She gets more opportunities when she gets to college, but it doesn't mean that she's actually "changed", the mentality was always there. </p>
<p>Also, interestingly, none of the girls that I've met at my own school are really like that (they make fun of them, though), yet one of my old friends who goes to another school and all the people that she's met are like that (and they think people who aren't are sooo terribly dull). All depends on the campus culture.</p>
<p>And yeah, once again, I've got zero interest in dating any of my guy "friends", but they are apparently only interested in dating me and not too much else.
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<p>I don't get what's pompous about this post.</p>
<p>The only thing (at least that I can see) that could possibly come off as snooty is the part where the girls she knows at her school make fun of the party type...but even then, when she described the party girls at other schools, she noted how they basically make fun of the non-party types. I dunno, but I think that pretty much cancels out any snootiness about her school since all she did was point out a majority attitude.</p>
<p>katho, I agree with what GoldShadow said. And I think he meant how she generally posts. Not one post in particular.</p>
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If you want "superiority" you'll have to look at jaso9n2, though, because he's never ever wrong and everyone who disagrees with him is clearly a self-centered stupid lying idiot, or whatever the insulting word of the day is, especially if that person is female and most especially if that person is me.
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<p>Heh. Go back and read the last thing I said in my "men who complain about women are misogynists" thread and you might change your tune a little. I don't come off as being superior because I don't readily dismiss things that I haven't witnessed or experienced like you do. Just like in the aforementioned "men" thread, everytime I said something to try and make you understand where I'm coming from, you always had an excuse. You always had answer. And even when I said you probably need a few more male friends, you asked me why; as if your constant refutations weren't enough of a reason. Not to deter this thread with rehash, though...</p>
<p>All I'm saying is you seem kind of detached from how people are, or how they can be, at times, and instead of trying to empathize with a viewpoint you may not understand, you seem to cop this "above it" attitude. And no, I'm not trying to insult you.</p>
<p>It's quite ignorant to believe that every school has the same social culture, and then to insult someone that disagrees with you.</p>
<p>What if BlahdeBlah goes to a small Catholic college that would only attract non-sluts?</p>
<p>What if she simply hasn't met the party-girl sluts because she associates with a different group at her school?</p>
<p>Unless you have actually been to her university and experienced the same things as her, you have no basis for an argument. You have only proved that you believe everything is as you have experienced it and there is only one correct answer to a subjective question - perhaps you should consider that not everyone is like you.</p>
<p>I agree that when a girl goes to college they're more likely to show what type of person they really are, as for the most part, they feel more independent. One does not go through some sort of magical transformation between high school and college - girls who think acting slutty and sleeping with everyone is exciting will do so, and girls who abhor that behavior will continue to do so. If one has previously attended a very rigid and structured school and has had parental supervision all through high school, they may very well rebel, yet their personal standards will likely have been the same in high school - they just weren't able to show them.</p>
<p>Ah, the zombie thread. I don't think anybody but you cares about that anymore and I'm certainly not going to go back and read through it so I can sit around and mince words. But if you're going to sit around and accuse others of never considering the possibility that others' lives are different from your own, you need to stop doing it yourself. And keep stuff on-topic...nobody follows you around to disagree with every post you make just because they disagreed with some of them a long time ago, even though it has nothing to do with the current subject of discussion.</p>
<p>BusinessGuy, just what in the hell are you talking about? My main argument is she seems very out of the loop and seems to challenge the existence of things just because she hasn't bothered to notice them. I've said that there are some differences from college to college, but that there are many things that are the same. Sooo...what are you saying? Or rather, don't say anything, but what you just said was dumb as hell.</p>
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Ah, the zombie thread. I don't think anybody but you cares about that anymore and I'm certainly not going to go back and read through it so I can sit around and mince words. But if you're going to sit around and accuse others of never considering the possibility that others' lives are different from your own, you need to stop doing it yourself. And keep stuff on-topic...nobody follows you around to disagree with every post you make just because they disagreed with some of them a long time ago, even though it has nothing to do with the current subject of discussion.
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<p>Now you see why you come off as arrogant at times...</p>
<p>I didn't mean for you to go back and re-read the thread all over again. All I said was to go back and read the last thing I wrote. We don't even have to discuss that thread; there's nothing to discuss at this point. </p>
<p>You can deflect all you want and make this about me and my inability to handle someone disagreeing with me, even if that doesn't exist, but I stand by my original statement that you seem ignorant when it comes to people who aren't like you. Compounded with the fact that you seem to have a bad attitude about it. One of those needs to change.</p>
<p>If there's nothing to discuss concerning that thread, why did you even bring it up? It has nothing to do with this thread.</p>
<p>Look, this is what keeps happening. A bunch of people all post in a big thread saying "my experience in this matter is such-and-such." Lots of people have different things to say on the subject. It just so happens that I have something different to say than you about it. You come along and rant and rave about how I'm an idiot because my experiences aren't the same as yours and I'm ignorant because my life isn't exactly like yours and why can't I ever understand that some people have lives that are slightly different from mine. See the problem there? </p>
<p>I still don't understand what your problem with my first post in this thread is. I don't see why anyone would be offended by it. I don't see why it would make me stupid, ignorant, self-centered, or "out of the loop". I thought maybe it was because you think every college is exactly the same and therefore other people can't have any experiences at college that are different than yours, but then you agreed that colleges can be different from each other. The only conclusion I can come to, then, is that you just like to attack me for no good reason. Care to actually explain?</p>
<p>if u were a loser in high school and dont go ivy league , u will be a loser in college. if u are ugly go ivy, you wont be so bad there. and college girls arent hotter, just easier.</p>
<p>Why are we, as a culture, so obsessed with defining girls as sluts or non-sluts? I mean, do we really know whether that one pretty girl is sleeping around? Is it even our business?</p>
<p>Besides, why do we speak with a peculiar brand of venom about sexually active women when we would rarely talk about a similarly sexually active man in the same way? If we're going to judge women for being promiscuous, why not judge their male partners the same way? Lots of men have sex to feel better about themselves or to get attention from their friends or just because they feel like it....</p>
<p>The double standard is unfair, but the fact of the matter is that girls get propositioned for sex way more than the other way around. Maybe this is a symptom of sexist culture rather than the cause, but nevertheless, "easy" girls will naturally be seen as having little to no standards or self-control. Girls are the gatekeepers, and guys are the hordes of barbarians trying to breach the walls.</p>
<p>Yeah...I don't know exactly how it got from college girls in general to talking about slutty party girls specifically, but it did, for whatever reason. I don't happen to think it's any more acceptable for guys to be promiscuous than it is for girls to be, and while I know I can't be the only one who thinks that I'm sure there are also people who'd want to call me a "man-hater" or something similar for it. To the same effect, I don't see why it'd be ok for guys to have no self-control but for girls to be criticized for having a lack of self-control, either. It's just the same thing stated in a different way, isn't it?</p>
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<p>Possibly...I've never been a guy, so I can't know for sure. It's still not an excuse for nailing any half-way decent looking girl that's willing, though.</p>
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Besides, why do we speak with a peculiar brand of venom about sexually active women when we would rarely talk about a similarly sexually active man in the same way? If we're going to judge women for being promiscuous, why not judge their male partners the same way? Lots of men have sex to feel better about themselves or to get attention from their friends or just because they feel like it....
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<p>Not me! Let me quote one of my earlier posts:</p>
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Some people think that men who have lots of sex = studs and women who have lots of sex = sluts, but I hold that both men and women who carelessly run around having sex are both morons, to me, the gender doesn't matter. The site is a pro-abstinence site for everybody, and a lot of the material there is a good read.
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<p>The site I was talking about was pureloveclub.com.</p>
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If there's nothing to discuss concerning that thread, why did you even bring it up? It has nothing to do with this thread.
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<p>I was using it as an example. Dense.</p>
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<p>Look, this is what keeps happening. A bunch of people all post in a big thread saying "my experience in this matter is such-and-such." Lots of people have different things to say on the subject. It just so happens that I have something different to say than you about it. You come along and rant and rave about how I'm an idiot because my experiences aren't the same as yours and I'm ignorant because my life isn't exactly like yours and why can't I ever understand that some people have lives that are slightly different from mine. See the problem there?
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<p>You're only an idiot when you try to come up with excuses when someone makes a point. Again, the misogyny thread. You couldn't just concede your point for ten seconds, you had to come up with dumb excuses. Like, when I said guys get pummelled with "suck it up, be a man" and you said that's the same thing as "think of the starving children in Africa." </p>
<p>It has nothing to do with who's life is what way and everything to do with your high-strung attitude. </p>
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I still don't understand what your problem with my first post in this thread is. I don't see why anyone would be offended by it. I don't see why it would make me stupid, ignorant, self-centered, or "out of the loop". I thought maybe it was because you think every college is exactly the same and therefore other people can't have any experiences at college that are different than yours, but then you agreed that colleges can be different from each other. The only conclusion I can come to, then, is that you just like to attack me for no good reason. Care to actually explain?
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<p>Once again, I bet you're pretty. Really pretty. I wasn't "offended" by your first post as much as I merely disagreed with it. And it was wrong, IMO, because it sounded a bit naive. You come to conclusions solely based on YOUR views and YOUR "experiences." Which is fine, because that's all any of us can do, but judging by the way you express yourself and what you "believe" I'd say you're pretty naive about how things are that might be going on around you, but you've never taken the time to notice them. Close-mindedness trumps "experiences" anyday. You seem to think otherwise.</p>
Besides, why do we speak with a peculiar brand of venom about sexually active women when we would rarely talk about a similarly sexually active man in the same way? If we're going to judge women for being promiscuous, why not judge their male partners the same way? Lots of men have sex to feel better about themselves or to get attention from their friends or just because they feel like it....
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<p>Weeell, as much as I hate to say it, the truth is girls bring it on themselves. </p>
<p>We judge ourselves among ourselves. I don't know about you guys, but I hear just as many women calling other girls some variant on slut than I do guys. In fact, I don't think many guys define girls who have sex as that period because -- and this is going to sound wrong to some, but it's not -- guys aren't as judgmental as girls. </p>
<p>Also, there's some accepted horniness from guys that women don't get...for whatever reason. It's kind of expected that guys are going to chase women. So a guy who ends up with a lot of partners must be good at that. A woman who has a lot of partners comes off fast or "loose."</p>
<p>Why do you think that the fact that I don't know many people at my school who fit the 'party slut' stereotype makes me naive?</p>
<p>It's true women go around calling each other sluts, for whatever reason, but I've heard plenty of men call them that as well. I've also witnessed a whole bunch of people (myself included) being called "prudes" because we won't run around and have sex with random people. Seems like if you're a girl you only get to be one or the other. </p>
<p>I think it's rather telling, though, that the word "slut" is only meant to apply to women and there's no word that means the same thing that's meant to apply to men.</p>