We miss him, Maybe he doesn't miss us. ?

<p>wbow...and the mantra is: we don't WANT to know everything. But for your too-quiet life--have you tried 'adopting' some 'part-time' children?</p>

<p>We just got home from delivering 'Mike Mulligan's Steam Shovel' to two little boys ages 3 and 5. They are the oldest in a family of 3.9 children under 5 years old. They were mesmerized by that steam shovel--as our boys once were. In a few weeks, we have a date to take them to their first theatre performance. H said it's good practice to 'hang' with those little ones so you don't lose your touch. I agree. I can't wait to see their wide eyes in the theatre. We loved taking our boys to the theatre.</p>

<p>Once a month or so, we also arrange Sunday dinners and/or a movie with the three fatherless teen boys across the street. H takes the middle one to the gym once a week. The monosyllables are funnier when it isn't your boy, I can tell you that much! haha.</p>

<p>Here's a little story that happened yesterday and warmed the cockles of my heart. H and I were in the car and the cell rang. It was DD (of the texting "Thanks" as our one contact one day last week!) She just wanted to tell us that she was on the train from Brown to Boston to see the Harvard/Brown football game. I said, "OH, OK. I am really grateful you are telling us, but I really wouldn't have known where you are just now!" She answered, "I know it's very funny, but I just thought it was the kind of thing I should tell you. I feel good telling you." All day when I reflected on this call I felt so fine. It affirmed that we did a great job instilling the sense of responsibility in her and that she was watching out for our "worry meter." She had told us a few days ago that she would probably go with a bunch of her friends and they had a reliable place to stay. She just wanted to let us know where she was, just like the good old days... four weeks ago! I LOVED it!!</p>

<p>Hi Everyone...I just got back from dropping DD off at school. H and me spent a couple of days in Chicago before flying back. It helpt remind us we were an "us". Now we are in the empty house---very quiet. I do not know how to text, although DD does. I am hoping she will call or email.So, the title to this thread really jumped out at me.Anyone else feeling a bit lost-with child across the country? I mean one minute I am "fine"...and then the tears roll down my face.It helps to have this forum-thanks.APOL</p>

<p>oh, dear, apol....i so understand how you feel. my son will be boarding a plane in about 12 hours to head back to school. i am the luckiest mom in the world with two wonderful, communicative, caring sons--but i am totally broken-hearted when the empty nest becomes empty again tomorrow. i can hardly function today. i cried at breakfast, and i know that he doesn't want to see me sad, so i am trying desperately to hang on until he's in the airport tomorrow. </p>

<p>i think so many of my friends have their children close by--so the empty nest doesn't seem quite so daunting. knowing they won't be home until maybe the holidays makes it tough. i'm sure i'll plan a trip out east to visit once, but i just can't stand this whole growing up process....i am not sure who's struggling to gain independence and confidence the most....honestly, i think it would be me! maybe i gave too much of that to my boys--i guess i should have kept some for myself!</p>

<p>wbow, maybe the solution is to get out of the house? We never saw Mathson much when he was home, mostly his bedroom door was closed and he was on the computer. I think the fact that I leave his bedroom door open makes me notice his absence more than I would expect to. However our nest isn't empty - maybe it will bother me more when younger brother is off too.</p>

<p>i routinely get out of the house as much as possible.....of course, when the kids are home or around, i stay pretty close to home to enjoy as much as i can. once they're gone, i am never home. i guess i shouldn't worry about being out of the house all the time, but at some point, i think i have to become more comfortable with my "own skin" so to speak....</p>

<p>this is my second (and last) son to leave home for school. the first one was a breeze, so this feeling of sadness was really not expected. and since this is the second year, i was hoping to be much, much better. i am.....i know that i am....i guess i was just hoping to make the transition without any tears this time!</p>

<p>What a great thread, I wish it had been around when my D started college 3 years ago. She's a senior now. From the first week, we set up an agreement that she call Sunday nights. Sometimes she doesn't call until after 10PM our time, which is 1 AM her time (she's on the east coast). I used to worry about her, but we know that she is honestly just working extremely hard at a very tough university in a very demanding major. I also recommend the book Letting Go-I found it in the college bookstore when we dropped her off for orientation, and read it cover to cover overnight. It made me step back and realize that we need to step away and let her be an adult now. I find it a comfort to open AIM and see she is online without even having to chat. We hear all the news when she comes home for the holidays. We also have gone to visit her there every year and met her friends, so we know she is with a great group of kids. My advice is to let them call you. Girls do not necessarily communicate more than boys, some kids are just at different independence levels than others. Good luck and enjoy sharing the college experience because it goes by realllllly fast.</p>

<p>PS-be prepared for another kind of sadness when your college student goes back for senior year-because it will probably be their last summer at home. Boy, if that doesn't tear your heart out! At least she wants to come back and live in LA, but has plans to rent a place with classmates after graduation. But then isn't that why we send them off to college in the first place?</p>

<p>My second D went off to college 6 hrs away. Not a social type, bookworm, but happy alone or with a group. Not a communicator either I am learning. Occasional IM from her asking a question....asking me to send something. I guess I am not going to get that newsy email, letter or phone call from her telling me about her life there....and I have to accept that just isn't her. The other D has always told me much more about what was going on in her life good or bad. Lots of times I would rather not know all the bad bc it makes me worry more about her. This D seems to be accepting the good and bad and dealing with it. So....I guess that is good. I do miss her probably more that vice versa. Hard to go from being so involved in their lives to not being involved at all. Gee those 18 years went by soo fast. I see other kids at the bus stop and want to take them and start over. Parenthood is such a ride.</p>

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<p>The shocker for me was when my then-junior (now senior) announced that he would be away from home for the summer between his junior and senior years. He stayed on his campus for the summer to work on a research project (for which he got paid), and since he had a 12-month lease at his off-campus apartment, it was easy for him to do it. I hadn't seen that coming. I don't think I ever missed anyone so much in my life. It's easier now, since I expect him to be gone during the academic year, but somehow I had expected to have him home for one more summer.</p>

<p>And now he is applying to graduate schools, many of which are on the opposite side of the country. And his younger sister is now a freshman at a college 7 hours from home. The nest is emptying FAST.</p>

<p>I am liking my empty nest. I miss my kids - for sure. Particularly my youngest, as I don't hear from him much (which has been a surprise to me). But I'm kind of relieved to be "done," even though I know you're never really done. </p>

<p>I sort of feel like I paid my dues - I put so much of my life into raising these kids! Maybe I'm really lazy or selfsih, but looking at small children, I have no desire to go back. (I felt that way about babies too - maybe I am a BAD mother!)</p>

<p>Perhaps the downside though, is that the things you might not have liked about yourself, or the stuff you regret, job disatisfaction or whatever, do seem a tad magnified now. Ha.</p>

<p>Weenie--if you are, so am I. I also, though I love my kids and love to be around them, cherish the opportunity to kind of take my life back, work on my writing, spend more time with my H (we were very young parents, so we kind of shortchanged ourselves at the start.) I also actually crave time by myself; I think it's because when I'm around others, i am always so tuned in to them, I sometimes lose sense of who I am. (I'm sure that's a syndrome of some sort....)</p>

<p>And I also was thrilled to be out of the baby stage--wouldn't go back for a million dollars. Bad, bad mother!</p>

<p>Truthfully, I look at my kids lives as wonderful novels that I get to enjoy now, without being in charge of the story. I look forward to the new plot points, even when I might've written it differently myself. </p>

<p>I love them to bits, love being around them, still act as sounding board and advisor, but I am also excited about figuring out my own life, too.</p>

<p>Thank you all for keeping this thread going. Such a great reminder to me that we all deal with empty nest differently. A friend's S who is in graduate school talks with her everyday and she's always telling me she wishes I would talk with my quiet, one syllable S every day too. Truthfully, as long as I know he's fine, I don't need much more than a once a week email or phone call even if he doesn't say much more than "I'm fine, I love you." I leave tomorrow to take S to school for sophomore year and I'm so unprepared so I'm sure once I come back on Saturday(we're taking a little vacation before I drop him off) I'll be here sharing my tears & readjustment to my empty nest. Thanks all.</p>

<p>"Truthfully, I look at my kids lives as wonderful novels that I get to enjoy now, without being in charge of the story."</p>

<p>Great thought, Garland.</p>

<p>LOL. I've liked every stage my kids have gone through, but was always ready to move on. I remember when my youngest graduated from elementary school and friends asked me if I would miss it. Nope! I was even more ready to graduate than they were!</p>

<p>let me be among the very first to agree that i couldn't do the whole baby, infant, toddler thing again! i, too, loved every stage as my kids were growing up. i, too, was always glad to rush into the next adventure. but for some reason, this empty nest thing has become such a sad, introspective time. i don't like thinking of how little time is really left for all of us...it is truly passing like the blink of an eye.</p>

<p>This stream is hysterical - 30+ pages of parents kvetching that their kids don't keep in touch. If our college students read this, they'd all be saying "Get a life." </p>

<p>I am totally sympathetic to the adjustment we parents go through. When my first son went to college, we didn't hear from him for three weeks and it was torture. But when we finally had a long talk and he said "it's so hard. Everything in my life is at square one," we understood the pressures on him to make friends, figure out his work load, find his way across campus, etc. Accounting to us for his every move was one more pressure he didn't need.</p>

<p>It's a bigger adjustment for them than it is for us. And if you've done your job and helped your son or daughter have enough smarts and enough resilience to stand on his or her own two feet, then they shouldn't be calling home every day or 2-3 times a week to check in. </p>

<p>Because checking in translates into getting advice, no two ways about it. It's a rare parent who can listen to their college-aged child complain about an annoying roommate or a bad dinner or a boring lecture without jumping in with a million suggestions.</p>

<p>We've been through this 3 times now. This fall, our youngest went off to college, we asked him to call when he arrived (three states away) and then we didn't call or email him for the rest of the week. We knew he was busy setting up his room, sitting down with his advisor, going to meetings, and (hopefully) hanging out with kids on his floor. </p>

<p>Wonderfully, on Day 5, he called - he picked a time when he knew he could really talk. He was in the mood to share everything that was going on and very nicely made a point of asking "how are things at home?" to get an update on his pets, aging grandfather, etc.</p>

<p>For all you attentive parents - your kids know you're there. They WILL call when they need to. And you first timers - you'll find out everything on Parents' Weekend. From the kids' end, it seems the designated time to unload all the goings-on. They've been brave and cool for 4-5 weeks and are relieved to be able to unburden themselves on Mom and Dad. </p>

<p>Be patient; give them space. I know it's really hard after sweating through the college application process and being wrapped up in all the festivities of senior year but if they're ready to let go of you, you've done a good job.</p>

<p>We're missing our "middlest" son a lot as he is at school on the other side of the country, and I just want to pass on an idea that has worked for us.</p>

<p>My husband and Son #2 have always been the best of sports buddies and my son knew dad would really miss the Sunday afternoons in front of the TV.(of course, my son would never admit to maybe missing them himself) So my son set up a football fantasy league for all the men in the family (all 3 boys, Daddy, uncles, cousins and one friend for each boy) .</p>

<p>This has given us lots of contact with him by phone and email where we can keep up with him without him feeling like he is constantly being interrogated.</p>

<p>One thing that has worked to improve the quality of our phone calls, has been to have a list (prepared before the call) of things for us (my wife and I) to talk about in OUR lives. He seems to enjoy hearing about our home projects, his sister's school, my pastimes (golf, etc). A good one that can generate some emotion on his end, is if I tell about some BBQ that we had and all the associated fixings. He loves BBQ, and he can quickly relate to it. It seems like, if he perceives that we have a life, and are able to tell him about it, then he cheers up, opens up, and the conversation can be fun. (We try to sneek in a question or two about how things are going at college - classes, food, friends, etc. We make an attempt to be subtle, tie it into the current converson. If talking about a BBQ at home, we can say how's the food there. If talking about his sister's high school classes, we can say how is your Calculus class.). One of our mistakes at the beginning of his freshman year was that we asked too many questions about his life in college, and we did not talk about our own life. (Inside, truly, we really just wanted to know how he was doing. But to him, i guess it came across as an inquisition).</p>

<p>In general, our son seems to be doing well. We still do not hear on a regular basis (we had hoped for, asked for, once a week, or every sunday, etc.), but we are ok without it. Someone earlier in the thread chastised parents for wanting to hear 2-3 times per week. That was never the case for us. We always have felt that once a week would be perfect. Even the staff at the University our son is attending recommended that parents strive to hear once per week. </p>

<p>Last year, when we stated this thread, our son had been in school for a while, and our initial communications with him had been hit and miss (with more miss than hit). Several things just didn't seem right. We were frustrated, worried, and started the thread. As I have stated numerous times, we received many posts with suggestions, many more posts with words of encouragement, and then a few posts from parents who said to stop worrying and to get a life. </p>

<p>Some overly-confident parents in this thraed, have suggested we just leave them alone. Leaving students alone is NOT what our son's University suggested to all parents during Welcome Week. They counseled/advised parents to be certain to make contact at least once per week (especially durnig the first couple of months). This came from the Head of Housing, as well as from the Head of the Univeristy Couneling Center. These are two groups who deal with students on a daily basis. Even the Campus Police suggested something similar. He indicated that if there is some problem, the earlier that his department is notified, the better chance that they have of finding someone. I, personally, prefer listening to the advise from the head of Housing, and the head of the University Counseling Center (who deal with hundreds and hundreds of students), than to one parent who happens to have an easy situation (and smugly suggests that parents need to get a life, grow up, and leave their kids alone).</p>

<p>It can be a real struggle to choose between (1) giving the students the space they need and deserve, and (2) making sure that they are ok. Last year, at times, and many times, we went back and forth between the two. There was a 3 week period where we did not hear from our son, and he did not return our calls. I finally called the Dorm Administration, they sent someone to check on him, they went to his room, and made face to face contact. They advised him to call us, just so we would know he was alive. He did so. The call was brief, but on good terms. To this day, i do NOT regret making that call. I mention that example, just to show how extreme it got for us. Some may laugh to themselves, thinking how pathetic that I couldn't last 3 weeks without talking to my son. I will only reply that I was hugely relieved to know that my son was ok, and that he did not end up in the news. (I would rather that 100 students be bothered unecessarily, and maybe along the way 1 or 2 students who are truly in need, or in trouble, might be contacted, just in time). To those who may laugh or criticise (as some did last year), you don't know what truly goes on in other people's lives and emotions, and your smug attitude is hardly helpful to anyone. Again, my huge huge thanks and appreciation to the vast majority who have posted in this thread with wonderful suggestions, and many many words of encouragement. </p>

<p>Good luck to all of you. And thanks again for your kind words, this year, and last year.</p>

<p>Helms2lee--agreed. </p>

<p>I'd hate to find out my child hadn't been seen in the dorm or around campus for weeks, and nobody said anything because they were all assuming if there was a problem, <em>somebody</em> would have done <em>something.</em></p>

<p>I know they're not 2 years old anymore, but everyone likes to be needed/noticed. At least once a week!</p>