We miss him, Maybe he doesn't miss us. ?

<p>Maybe it's #1 vs. #2...</p>

<p>Our second son started college this fall. I call at least once a week just to see how things are going. I'm THRILLED that he is always busy with something or on his way somewhere. He's taken to his new surroundings like a duck to water. Too busy with new friends and campus activities to talk to mom? I'm tickled pink.</p>

<p>Maybe it's because this is our middle son, and since he's always had his brothers as companions he's never really sought out lots of outside friends, and if I had a concern it was on how the social side of college would go. He's jumped in with both feet, and I couldn't be happier.</p>

<p>And DS#1 actually calls frequently now to give us updates on the excitement and successes he's having at school. So it's all good.</p>

<p>We'll all be together for Thanksgiving, and I know we'll hear a lot about how things are going. The best source of info? Listening to the three of them talk. Especially in the backseat of the family van. They forget parents are about, and we get pretty close to the real scoop. </p>

<p>I'm enjoying this phase. It's a breather before the next college app./senior year thing starts in about 8 months. Sigh.</p>

<p>Helms2Lee - I am curious as to the status of your relationship with your son?</p>

<p>Lovetocamp.</p>

<p>Thank's for asking. Things went really well his sophomore year. It was the freshman year (especially the first semester) that was so difficult, in so many ways. If you read much of the thread, we went through a very difficult period. Prior to going to college, we saw our son every day, and we had a very close relationship. We all ate together, we watched movies together, we had been a close knit family. Then, after arriving at colllege, it seemed like he became someone that we hardly knew. There was a period where he did not seek us out (via phone calls or emails, etc.), and worse he did not respond to our attempts to stay in contact with him. Probably the worst part of the problem was the "not knowing". Not knowing if he was ok - and just was not communicating. Or, Not knowing if he was not ok, and for whatever reason was not able to communicate with us. We just did not know. The worst period, when a few weeks went by, with no contact at all, we finally called the dorm admin offices, and they sent someone to his room to verify he was ok. He called us - about 30 minutes later, and luckily he was ok and had not been kidnapped, or worse. (again, we had no information with which to conlude whether he was ok, or not). We were worried for the health and safety of our first born. We became frantic. After that call, when we knew (at that momennt) that he was ok, we were ok for a short while. But things did not change much during the first year. We came to realize that he did not have the same need or interest to stay in contact with us. When he came home for the summer, things reverted back to like the old days. We saw him every day. He was close to us again, we did things together, etc. So, it wasn't that he had changed to a new person. I guess he just discovered how nice it is to be away, and he discovered freedom - to do, or not do, whatever he wanted. We still were somewhat hurt that he 'chose' not to communicate more often. But we learned to accept what little we received. And we learned to initiate contact (even when we would have prefered to have him initiate the contact). </p>

<p>His second year, things improved in two ways. (1) We (his parents) 'needed' LESS the second years than we did the first year. I guess we (his parents) adapted, out of necessity, to move on with our life. So, we were not as intense about wondering how he was, nor did we think about it as often. (2) He showed signs of contacting us more often on his own. Though his self initiated contacts were still somewhat rare, it was a nice change from the first year. Most of the contacts were due to his needing something, or having some specific question. Nonetheless, we appreciated the contact, regardless of the reason. :-) </p>

<p>This summer, things continue to be fine, as we await his junior year. </p>

<p>What a learning experience. </p>

<p>Again, we can not express deeply enough our tremendous appreciation to the dozens of people who posted to our thread. We cried, more than once, while reading some of the pain that other people were going through, as they attempted to share our pain. So many posts had very wise advice. It would be worth writing a book, gathering together all the comments, from all the many different people. It was 'not' helpful to hear from the parents who coldly told us to 'get a life' or 'leave him alone', etc. But those type of comments were in the minority. The vast majority of comments were VERY helpful to us. Thank you again, to each and every person who helped us during that very trying period of our life.</p>

<p>Our experience with our S was somewhat similar. Our S had been with us a great deal throughout HS, so when we was off at college & did not keep in touch, we worried some as well, but were told by many that it was common, especially among males.
Second year was much better, as I think he felt he had established seperation and he called us on his terms when HE felt like it. It seems he called more and he even made a webpage for my non-profit as part of a web design course he took & we needed to coordinate the info to be posted on the site. He also called about coordinating info for his spring break trip, health and insurance issues, a stolen wallet & the fallout from that, and other things but sometimes just to chat.<br>
We were fortunate that he kept in touch with his sister (who is still living at home) via IM, so we had some assurance that he was OK even during the long tme periods between phone calls. We never asked his dorm or friends to check up on him. I think he would have been mortified if we had done so & probably stretched out the time between phone calls even further.</p>

<p>A colleague of mine called campus security when his daughter, a college freshman, neglected to respond to emails and voicemails over a period of three or four days. The girl was understandably mortified when security came banging on her door to check on her, and her parents told her bluntly that they had been worried about her when she did not respond to any of their messages. (These are not, by the way, intrusive or overbearing parents in any way, shape or form. They <em>are</em>, however, caring parents who are working hard to pay their daughter's tuition and costs.) Lesson learned: when ones parents call or email, respond with <em>something</em> within a reasonable amount of time. After all, it doesn't take hours to text message parents to reassure them and it is the polite thing to do and only common courtesy to the parents who not only brought you into this world, but are supporting your education.</p>

<p>helms2lee - great update. Our s showed some of the same patterns in his first year. Got a bit better in second year but we also adjusted our expectations.
Well, now we're going through a new experience. He started a 6-week study abroad program last week (actually been gone about 9 days) and so far, we've received only two emails from him (one was very cheery and pretty detailed for him, the other just a few short sentences). No calls.
I know he's probably trying to save money by not getting a cell phone (his won't work there - doesn't take sim cards). And I also know he's probably pretty overwhelmed with this new experience. He sounds happy in his emails but we would love to hear more!
So...it just keeps changing. We'll have him for a few weeks before he goes back to school. And we'll be back to our dinners and watching baseball and movies together. Then, he's off again. This is hard....</p>

<p>toneranger, have you asked him if he has a blog? I know a lot of kids set one up so they don't have to e-mail everybody; perhaps he'd let you read his.</p>

<p>Toneranger: I empathize with the long silences when you are so eager to know about their new adventure. Our son took a gap year before college so my first adjustment to the "He's flown the nest" was to his being VERY far away. What I learned is that the silence is often that they are utterly absorbed in their new, maybe quite different world and it is requiring pretty much all of their attention. And I think they enter into the new experience much more fully if they are not emailing/phoning home. As hard as it is, I think it is our job to wait to hear something, anything, and then be content with that, since it actually reinforces both their capacity to be independent and the fact that we are okay without them..(yes, we are not happy without details, but we really are surviving and thriving and it is not time yet for them to be worrying about our welfare) And in reality, if things were NOT okay, you probably would be hearing from him or somebody, so no news is not bad news---just frustrating. I felt like I haunted the email and poured over the few that did come. Eventually I learned to Google about places where I knew he was and get my vicarious sense of contact that way. Then when he was back it was easy to talk about all the places he'd been that I'd learned about. It is hard to let them go and have their experience on their own but it is also what it is about...My daughter is about to go off to Central America for month and I am about to enter into the cone of silence as well, so here's to our silent waiting.</p>

<p>chedva...no I really don't think he has a blog. Not his style. But I know he posts on facebook all the time to keep in touch with his friends. I don't think I want to ask him for access there.
He's usually been great with text messages...but he has no workable cell phone over there. Frustrating. I know he's having trouble with his email too, so I'm sure that's contributing. Weird though...not to be able to talk to him.<br>
Just read about how Tim Russert's college-age son talked to his dad almost every day...sometimes twice per day. Made me sad....</p>

<p>If I didn't hear back from my D for days, I would probably have campus security at the door too. Fortunately, she knows this. </p>

<p>When I was in law school, I went to Atlanta to interview for jobs. We were having such a good time, that we stayed an extra day. I changed my flight and had a great time. I forgot to tell my mom. I was 26 at the time. When she couldn't reach me, she tracked down the mom of the friend with whom I was staying and her mom tracked down my friend's employer who told my friend to have me call my mom. I was mortified, until she picked up the phone, heard my voice, and broke down in sobs. I am now in my 50s and I still do whatever it takes to not hear that sound from her ever again.</p>

<p>helms2lee-wow, your experience sounds like a mirror of mine. Oh, what wrenching emotions! The worse was not knowing if he was ok. Yes, it was my first to send off and he was being non-communicative, although, as you indicated, we were a very close family. I saved my sanity by checking his student account we had funded where he swiped his ID card for cokes and laundry. That's sounds absurd now, but it was a big relief because I figured if he were buying cokes and doing wash, he was alive and ok.</p>

<p>Happy to report 2nd semester continued to improve. My heart goes out to anyone in similar circumstances. Texting also saved us, as after the initial couple of months when he was doing his "independence" thing he was quite agreeable to texting.</p>

<p>toneranger, Does your son have access to a land-line? If so, he can purchase international calling cards (from drugstores, supermarkets, etc.) that are MUCH less expensive than disposable cellphones. Two of my kids have international internships this summer, and that's how we solved the communication void.</p>

<p>I also send e-mails with questions that pretty much require an answer. Even if I only get back a line or two, at least I know my kids are alive.</p>

<p>If he uses Facebook a lot, set up an account for yourself. You don't have to post on his "wall" - you can exchange private messages through facebook.</p>

<p>I like the land line idea - currently he's on the travel portion of the trip for quite a while and I'm not sure of his access - but I know he'll have access in a couple of weeks. Facebook...maybe.<br>
mmah - thanks for your post. I think you hit the nail on the head - made me feel much better about things. I do wish he would check in more - even just to let us know he's safe and sound! I don't need all the details!</p>

<p>Toneranger--We certainly do need each other in all this. In terms of our wanting to know from them that they are "safe and sound"--I think I've come to know that paradoxically, when they ARE safe and sound, they actually don't feel much need to tell us that because they are in some way still carrying us within them and THINK we do know...It is actually a parenting success, I think, if they have us comfortably internalized (ie: not as a huge nag or worrier, just an internal presence that helps them think logically when they DO have a problem to solve). They DO think to call when whatever they're facing is too big for their internalized version of us.... I think it is only with a degree of maturity many 18-21 year olds don't have yet that they really recognize what a gift it is to call up and chat because of what the recipient needs...not the caller....Now there is another breed of kid (the kind I did not get) that always has loved to talk at length about everything...but those are not the subject of this thread..!</p>

<p>mmaah - that is so right. There seems to be a stronger parent empathy chip in some kids. They don't have any intention of hurting or worrying a parent. It just doesn't occur to them to check in only for the sake of alleviating parent worry. I was definitely like that when I was younger and I'm not sure when it changed for me. Maybe it skips a generation since my D is much better at it than I was. I'm thinking that installing a GPS chip in them when they're born might work, but would we have to tell them? </p>

<p>Toneranger - I think you are handling this very well. I might have resorted to payment by now - a deposit into some off shore account for every contact made.</p>

<p>Skype. If he has a computer, you and he can each download software to to talk via Skype.</p>

<p>Also, much of the communication with our son this summer (he is away doing an internship) has been via instant message. He sees by my icon that I'm online and I'll sometimes get a "hi mom" message and it goes on from there.</p>

<p>mafool--we do the IM (actually gmail chat) thing, only in our case, I'm the one who sends the "Hey" message and if S is around, he answers and we go on from there.</p>

<p>I think the trick is to stay busy yourself. If I have time I will worry that I haven't heard from a kid, and my mind could easily conjure up all the things that could have possibly happened since he left home 2 days ago and I wouldn't know about it. But if I've been busy, I am shocked to realize I haven't thought about the poor child. And you know what? He's fine. ;)</p>

<p>My s called from overseas (finally) and he's doing fine - sounded great actually...I think he might be having a bit TOO much fun.<br>
Didn't get a cell phone (as expected) and now, while on study tour, has very limited access to his computer. So, I'm not expecting much for the next few weeks.<br>
Anyway, VERY happy to hear from him and to find out that all is going well.<br>
Thanks for all of your suggestions! I told him to get a international calling card - we'll see.</p>

<p>Helms2Lee; I am so glad to hear the outcome. Your thread was one of those that greatly impacted me at the time, especially as I had a soon to be freshman D then. So glad to hear the result two years on. Everything I read in your thread prepared me for the possibilities and though I was fortunate with D, I now have a soon to be freshman S so it is all coming back to me.</p>